NFL: 2024 NFL off-season news & notes discussion thread

[GKJ]

 

[StreetHawk]

Snead, a younger player went for a 3rd. Same as Carlton. Both CB and the 2nd premier Defensive position. Best case is a 3rd or 4th rounder due to the contract demands.

 

[Troy McClure]

I take it Jerry like to pretend he's taking notes.

 

[John Price]

 

[red devil]

 

[John Price]

 

[Troy McClure]

This isn't a big deal. Defenders went decades without tackling this way.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

This isn't a big deal. Defenders went decades without tackling this way.

Then the NFL banned most forms of tackling and made every aspect of attempting to play D a penalty as well

At this point there is very little an NFL defender can do in NFL anymore

Its frankly absurd and NFL defensive players should simply walk off field on week 1 to lockerrooms at this point

 

[glenwo2]

Then the NFL banned most forms of tackling and made every aspect of attempting to play D a penalty as well

At this point there is very little and NFL defender can do in NFL anymore

Its frankly absurd and NFL defensive players should simply walk off field on week 1 to lockerrooms at this point

Yeah.

Might as well just put Card-board cutouts out there.

It's a damn joke.

 

[GKJ]

This isn't a big deal. Defenders went decades without tackling this way.

It’s true. This has only been a recent trend.

 

[Bounces R Way]

f*** yeah more flags
I love flags

 

[Ace]

The logic part of my brain knows it’s a good thing to take that play out of the game.

The rest of my brain, heart, body and soul knows a bullshit application of the rule is going to extend the drive that knocks Buffalo out of the playoffs this year.

 

[ZDH]

Deion hints he'll sway son's draft fate, cites Eli

Colorado's Deion Sanders said there are "certain [NFL] cities that ain't going to happen" for son Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter in the 2025 draft, and that the two will decide where they play.

www.espn.com

"I know where I want them to go," Deion Sanders told the "Million Dollaz Worth of Game" podcast Friday. "So, it's certain cities that ain't going to happen. It's going to be an Eli."

"Deion Sanders has already said he doesn't want his son "going nowhere cold" via the draft. On Friday, he told the podcast that there are "certain cities that fit"


If Minnesota ends up 1OA you're really passing on JJ, Hock, and Addison because it's "too cold"? Pfffffffff get real Deion.

 

[Troy McClure]

Then the NFL banned most forms of tackling and made every aspect of attempting to play D a penalty as well

At this point there is very little an NFL defender can do in NFL anymore

Its frankly absurd and NFL defensive players should simply walk off field on week 1 to lockerrooms at this point

Let's make a list of what defenders can't do to tackle runners with the ball. Defenders can't:
- grab the facemask
- stick out their leg to trip
- drill the crown of their head into the runner's head
- horsecollar tackle
- and now drop hip tackle

So what's the big deal?

 

[bambamcam4ever]

This isn't a big deal. Defenders went decades without tackling this way.

What are you taking about? Do you really think players figured this out recently?

Not every defensive back is Deion Sanders who would rather jump out of the way of a tackle. This is how they've always tackled bigger players running away from them as they turn upfield

NFL is trying to turn their sport into the Big 12.

 

[Troy McClure]

What are you taking about? Do you really think players figured this out recently?

Not every defensive back is Deion Sanders who would rather jump out of the way of a tackle. This is how they've always tackled bigger players running away from them.

NFL is trying to turn their sport into the Big 12.

Yes. Defenders haven't spent the entirety of NFL history dropping their butts on runners' heels to break bones. That is a very new thing they've only recently figured out and started doing. That's why there wasn't any need to consider a rule regarding it until recently.

Outlawing this new move just gets us back to how guys spent the prior decades tackling from behind.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Yes. Defenders haven't spent the entirety of NFL history dropping their butts on runners' heels to break bones. That is a very new thing they've only recently figured out and started doing. That's why there wasn't any need to consider a rule regarding it until recently.

Outlawing this new move just gets us back to how guys spent the prior decades tackling from behind.

Sorry this completely inaccurate. I just clicked through a bunch of plays of Super Bowl 13 on YouTube and can find a bunch of examples of a "hip drop tackles" in just 5 minutes. Dorsett has a 30 yard run with about 5 minutes left in the game and gets tackled, apparently illegally now according to the video the NFL shared



Was the Steelers CB from the future? Or has this always been part of football? It has been, it just had a different name: a tackle.

Edit: Timestamp isn't working, jump to 3:08:20

 

[Troy McClure]

Sorry this completely inaccurate. I just clicked through a bunch of plays of Super Bowl 13 on YouTube and can find a bunch of examples of a "hip drop tackles" in just 5 minutes. Dorsett has a 30 yard run with about 5 minutes left in the game and gets tackled, apparently illegally now according to the video the NFL shared



Was the Steelers CB from the future? Or has this always been part of football? It has been, it just had a different name: a tackle.

Edit: Timestamp isn't working, jump to 3:08:20

That tackle isn't a hip drop tackle. Dorsett got spun around, and the defender landed beside him.

 

[Troy McClure]

I think a lot of the panic about this rule comes from a misunderstanding of what it is banning. This isn't about any time a defender wraps a guy up from the side or behind.

The thing they're targeting is a defender wrapping up at or above the waist and then dropping their weight to sit on the runner's heels.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

That tackle isn't a hip drop tackle. Dorsett got spun around, and the defender landed beside him.

It is a hip drop because the defender unweighted himself (the CB is clearly using his body weight to take him down) , according to their new rule and grabbed Dorsett with both arms prior. But it may not be a penalty as he did not land on Dorsett legs.

I don't have an issue with banning a tackle if a guy is trying to take out a guy's legs on purpose, but I think that is very rare. More likely, these happen because a defender is trying to take down the ball carrier however he can, and it's difficult to do so when a guy is fighting to break free, so sometimes the legs get caught.

The NFL said this happened less than once a game last year so it's not common even now. It's possible that these results where legs get caught happen more often now because defenders have to start their tackle lower for fear of a helmet to helmet hit.

 

[Troy McClure]

It is a hip drop because the defender unweighted himself (the CB is clearly using his body weight to take him down) , according to their new rule and grabbed Dorsett with both arms prior. But it may not be a penalty as he did not land on Dorsett legs.

I don't have an issue with banning a tackle if a guy is trying to take out a guy's legs on purpose, but I think that is very rare. More likely, these happen because a defender is trying to take down the ball carrier however he can, and it's difficult to do so when a guy is fighting to break free, so sometimes the legs get caught.

The NFL said this happened less than once a game last year so it's not common even now. It's possible that these results where legs get caught happen more often now because defenders have to start their tackle lower for fear of a helmet to helmet hit.

This is why it is not a hip drop tackle. Tackling by wrapping up is not being outlawed. Doing part (a) of the rule is not only legal but is still the way the NFL wants tackling to be taught and executed. To be an illegal tackle, you have to also do part (b). The tackle you highlighted would still be perfectly legal.

ARTICLE 18. HIP-DROP TACKLE. It is a foul if a player uses the following technique to bring a runner to the ground:
(a) grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and
(b) unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Deion hints he'll sway son's draft fate, cites Eli

Colorado's Deion Sanders said there are "certain [NFL] cities that ain't going to happen" for son Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter in the 2025 draft, and that the two will decide where they play.

www.espn.com

"I know where I want them to go," Deion Sanders told the "Million Dollaz Worth of Game" podcast Friday. "So, it's certain cities that ain't going to happen. It's going to be an Eli."

"Deion Sanders has already said he doesn't want his son "going nowhere cold" via the draft. On Friday, he told the podcast that there are "certain cities that fit"


If Minnesota ends up 1OA you're really passing on JJ, Hock, and Addison because it's "too cold"? Pfffffffff get real Deion.

Who the hell is Sanders to decide what cities Travis Hunter will play in?

As for his sons, If I was NFL GM this would be enough to have them off my draft board

 

[LT]

Deion hints he'll sway son's draft fate, cites Eli

Colorado's Deion Sanders said there are "certain [NFL] cities that ain't going to happen" for son Shedeur Sanders and Travis Hunter in the 2025 draft, and that the two will decide where they play.

www.espn.com

"I know where I want them to go," Deion Sanders told the "Million Dollaz Worth of Game" podcast Friday. "So, it's certain cities that ain't going to happen. It's going to be an Eli."

"Deion Sanders has already said he doesn't want his son "going nowhere cold" via the draft. On Friday, he told the podcast that there are "certain cities that fit"


If Minnesota ends up 1OA you're really passing on JJ, Hock, and Addison because it's "too cold"? Pfffffffff get real Deion.

So Shilo can get f***ed then, I guess?

 

[Ace]

This is why it is not a hip drop tackle. Tackling by wrapping up is not being outlawed. Doing part (a) of the rule is not only legal but is still the way the NFL wants tackling to be taught and executed. To be an illegal tackle, you have to also do part (b). The tackle you highlighted would still be perfectly legal.

ARTICLE 18. HIP-DROP TACKLE. It is a foul if a player uses the following technique to bring a runner to the ground:
(a) grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and
(b) unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee.

I can already see the KC first down when replay clearly shows it wasn’t the right call.

 

[Troy McClure]

I can already see the KC first down when replay clearly shows it wasn’t the right call.

You're correct. The Bills being screwed by a bad call on a new rule is an additional benefit beyond player safety.