Just what the ATD needs- more VsX hyperdulia.A team should have to post their lines with vsx and defensive abilities.
I also think the votes in this thread should be made public.Just what the ATD needs- more VsX hyperdulia.
They are. I did so to make sure it was GMs voting.I also think the votes in this thread should be made public.
I mean private.They are. I did so to make sure it was GMs voting.
I'll throw this out there: I think we should keep public voting, and I think GMs should have the prerogative to exclude the voting of non-GMs they think may carry a grudge. I can think of a name I'd exclude immediately.
I understand why this view could be popular, but I have a hard time being on board with discrediting a voters if you feel they have a grudge against you.
The whole point of us getting non-GMs to vote is to help increase the sample size and bring in more diverse perspectives and just being able to toss out a voter you think doesn't seem particularly fair....
This guy was notorious for holding a grudge against Sturm, quit the ATD, and 15 years later comes in, strictly vote for the RS, and vote our team last. Strong appearance of unethical behavior.
Unethical sure.
But did it matter in the end? No, you guys were still the one seed because we had 17 other voters.
And I understand that is something we can only say with the benefit of hindsight, but I think just having the ability to ignore select voters is a slippery slope.
Did I say it mattered? It could've mattered though, which is the point.
The last line of my post acknowledged this.
Always blows my mind as to why people vote no on this. I won't continue on if we're going back to votes being hidden. Just based on last year, it has to make at least some people wonder what public voting would have showed when we had 30-40 GM's involved.
If you are unbiased and voting for who you truly believe is the best team, you shouldn't give a damn as to who sees your votes.
Always blows my mind as to why people vote no on this. I won't continue on if we're going back to votes being hidden. Just based on last year, it has to make at least some people wonder what public voting would have showed when we had 30-40 GM's involved.
If you are unbiased and voting for who you truly believe is the best team, you shouldn't give a damn as to who sees your votes.
The argument for private voting is to avoid GMs pressuring each other to vote a certain way. Or holding grudges against GMs who voted against them. Not saying that's been an issue, but those are the arguments for private voting.
When shameless people still vote dishonestly, and then there are no consequences for those people, public voting serves no real purpose.
When shameless people still vote dishonestly, and then there are no consequences for those people, public voting serves no real purpose.
It's probably too late for this year, but in future drafts, would it be possible to have non-GMs put themselves forward as potential voters, and then if there are a certain number of vetoes, a specific individual isn't allowed to vote? That could address some of the concerns here. (I'm still in favor of public voting though.)
I agree with Dreak here. What's the point of having the votes public if we're not able to act on the information?I understand why this view could be popular, but I have a hard time being on board with discrediting a voters if you feel they have a grudge against you.
The whole point of us getting non-GMs to vote is to help increase the sample size and bring in more diverse perspectives and just being able to toss out a voter you think doesn't seem particularly fair....
Frankly, the only people who should vote are those who follow the draft closely from beginning to end.
Suspect voting should be called out