Podcast (Audio) The Reason Gallant was fired in Vegas

[wolfgaze]

I thought it was a good interview and worth the listen... Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I want my coach to have an analytical brain but not rely on analytical data.

I mean, it's a bit of a hamfisted way to say it, but yeah. I want a coach who understands that analytics have a role but isn't going to rely solely on them to field his team.

 

[Chytilmania]

IDC, he said burying guys on the 4th line doesn't do anything so I'm happy.

 

[romba]

That's especially why you need a large sample.

You don't wanna be like the Yankees and put all nine fielders on one side in a tie game in the 8th inning, and then when the guy just chips a base hit opposite field because he's the winning run, you double down by saying that the shift drops averages.

Yes, in the first seven innings when guys are trying to hit homeruns.

Man do I want to derail this thread now and bitch about the Yankees and how they love smelling their own analytic farts.

A coach who doesn’t worry about analytics yet his teams perform well analytically- sign me up! I did not know this about Gallant

 

[Machinehead]

Man do I want to derail this thread now and bitch about the Yankees and how they love smelling their own analytic farts.

A coach who doesn’t worry about analytics yet his teams perform well analytically- sign me up! I did not know this about Gallant

What I always say is that, as a coach, you can't go into the room and yell "hey guys, do expected goals better!"

Analytics are just the result of what people like to call "real" hockey.

Gallant's teams tend to be physical but they're not just hitting randomly. That tends to translate well into underlying numbers. Meanwhile, the teams that are hitting just to say they're hitting tend to not do so hot, because you're not hitting if you have the puck.

 

[huerter]

I mean, it's a bit of a hamfisted way to say it, but yeah. I want a coach who understands that analytics have a role but isn't going to rely solely on them to field his team.

I said what I said very aptly. What you said is nubby.

 

[aufheben]

So…disagreements between coaches and managers over the grey area between roster construction and roster implementation? Analytics sound entirely peripheral to the situation.

 

[Barnaby]

I mean, it's a bit of a hamfisted way to say it, but yeah. I want a coach who understands that analytics have a role but isn't going to rely solely on them to field his team.

To me, it has a place, but it’s just one piece of the puzzle. I want a coach that’s aware of the analytics and can work them into some decisions, but I don’t want a coach that purely relies on them instead of having a feel for the game.

It has been said before, but analytics are a lot more useful in a sport like baseball and even then they’re over used.

This does sound like more of a relationship issue though. Drury seems like a low key guy... hopefully he keeps Dolan and Gallant far apart.

 

[Ruggs225]

Good coaches end up with good looking analytic. Umbers because their team plays well

bad coaches take “good analytics“ players and do nothing with them because they dont know how to use them.

have quinn coach the isles and they wont make the playoffs. Put trotz on the rangers and we are cup contenders.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Darryl Sutter seems like the last coach to care about analytics and his Kings teams were analytics darlings.

I like Negreanu and this was actually a pretty good interview but on this specific point it seems like he is just recycling rumors that have been floating around Vegas on this topic.

 

[n8]

I feel like analytics are great in between games. It's oddball to use them in the middle of the game. You don't play a hockey game on spreadsheets. And you don't lord the stats over the HEAD coach. That said, I believe a coach needs to be very aware and open to adjustments. The way analytics could be used in a game should be more along the lines of "their 2nd line is dominating" and allow the HC to make adjustments. Like he will know what matchups he's getting. If we wants players to work through it, work harder, etc. Or if he has the home ice advantage to consistently dictate the matchup to neutralize them. I think that is a good way to use it. Not to send down mandates. I think that is ridiculous.

 

[egelband]

Full disclosure. Not a fan of analytics.

Happy he doesn't rely on them much if at all.

Analytics is naturally backward-looking. Which is fine if you're talking about established vets. But with young players the numbers won't tell the whole story. Anyhow, as I think 99% of us agree, there's a time and a place for analytics but they aren't the be-all-end-all. I'd assume Gallant feels similarly, too.

 

[egelband]

Darryl Sutter seems like the last coach to care about analytics and his Kings teams were analytics darlings.

I like Negreanu and this was actually a pretty good interview but on this specific point it seems like he is just recycling rumors that have been floating around Vegas on this topic.

Well, that's pretty much what we do here And I take the opinion of many posters here more seriously than what the mainstream outlets say.

 

[Alluckks]

It's because he was too loosey goosey, eatin' a sandwich

 

[chosen]

He was the best player on Maine when I went to see them.

 

[cwede]

He was the best player on Maine when I went to see them.

one of his 2 hat trick games?

 

[chosen]

No.

He just looked a level better than the rest of the team.

 

[nyr2k2]

No.

He just looked a level better than the rest of the team.

This year he was awful and not even close to one of his team's best players.

 

[Edge]

At the end of the day the next few years is as equally important for Gallant as it is the Rangers.

Just like we want to take that next step and establish ourselves on a different level, Gallant does as well.

If this works the way it has the potential to, Gallant's last three stops will become a backstory. He has a chance to be defined and identified by what he does here.

While I have my fair share of concerns, I also have a lot of hope.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I rest my case.

Negs is as well connected as anyone in Vegas and is a very knowledgeable hockey guy. The fact that he is a poker GOAT doesn't hurt is credibility.

 

[cwede]

??? how did these get here from the Elmer thread ... which is now no longer listed?
?some HFB voodoo i am unfamiliar with?

He was the best player on Maine when I went to see them.

one of his 2 hat trick games?

No. He just looked a level better than the rest of the team.

This year he was awful and not even close to one of his team's best players.

 

[chosen]

??? how did these get here from the Elmer thread ... which is now no longer listed?
?some HFB voodoo i am unfamiliar with?

Covid did it.

 

[nyr2k2]

??? how did these get here from the Elmer thread ... which is now no longer listed?
?some HFB voodoo i am unfamiliar with?

I think the OP had several different threads (including another one for this exact podcast which was originally titled something about the poker player guy and didn't mention Gallant in the title) and they were all merged. The Elmer podcast one seemed to be merged as well.

Anyway, Elmer sucks.