Revisiting the Disastrous Kotkaniemi Offer Sheet By Carolina

[Junohockeyfan]

They can still get out of KK at a minimal cost. Still owe him $30 mill so cost of $10 mill to get off him. $835K in dead money for 3 years. $455k for the 4-6 years because they took a $4.8 mill cap charge while paying him like $4 mill per year the past 2 years, then it goes back up to $8.35 mill for the final 6 years.

So, question is whether with $4 mill in cap space per in each of the next 6 years can you do better? They still have 2 more seasons with the 1/3 buyout option. He's a streaky player offensively. Will put up a great 12 game run then it's 10 with almost nothing.

As for Thomas, during his elc he was a 0.5 ppg then a 0.65 ppg, then a 0.33 ppg pace over those 3 years. So, if you dropped this deal on him at $6 mill for 1 year and having that as a QO, he'd probably have signed it. Did a 2 year bridge for $2.8 mill per with STL. Were the Blues in bad shape cap wise back in 2021?

They still coughed up a 1st++ to end up buying him out or playing him on the 4th line as a winger! lol

 

[Lempo]

They still coughed up a 1st++ to end up buying him out or playing him on the 4th line as a winger! lol

Those 2022 very late 1st and 3rd were used to pick Filip Bystedt (by Arizona) and Adam Engström, both signed on an ELC currently but loaned to Sweden. Yes the picks could have been trade capital for something else I guess, but I for one am not particularly longing after those picks.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Those 2022 very late 1st and 3rd were used to pick Filip Bystedt (by Arizona) and Adam Engström, both signed on an ELC currently but loaned to Sweden. Yes the picks could have been trade capital for something else I guess, but I for one am not particularly longing after those picks.

Thise picks could have been star players as well . In the end, Canes lost out big. A KK buyout will be the cherry on top! lol

 

[Peasy]

They were a year away from losing Trocheck. They were being proactive.

Why not re-sign Trocheck?

Not like he broke the bank or anything.

 

[bleedgreen]

Why not re-sign Trocheck?

Not like he broke the bank or anything.

I wanted that! The Canes have primarily let UFA’s approaching 30 walk. They don’t want to pay big for the downside of a guys career, they rather pay for the prime. Thus Aho, Svech and KK. They let Hamilton, Nino and Trocheck walk and they’re about to let most to maybe all their ufa’s walk this summer. Pesce, Skjei, TT…etc. it’s not that they don’t have cap room for any of them, though they won’t have enough for more than one or two….they just don’t pay for that unless its affordable. Martinook maybe? Chatfield? It’s not being cheap, its overzealous management of the cap.

Jake would be the first, and there’s talk they’re trying but I’ll believe it when I see it.

 

[BLONG7]

Can’t call them a cup favourite until you see what they do this offseason.

They have a coach demanding a ridiculous amount of money.

RFAs include Drury, Necas and Jarvis, the latter two probably asking for 8 million+

UFAs are Guentzel, Teravainen, Noesen, Martinook, Chatfield, Skjei, Pesce and Deangelo. Can’t bring them all back.

And then there’s the goaltending issue.

We’ll see what they do but their depth is going to take a hit going into next year.

There are going to be big changes with the Canes................

As for KK, he just doesn't seem to mesh well with BrindAmour and his coaching style......yet.
He is still a kid, so who knows.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

There are going to be big changes with the Canes................

As for KK, he just doesn't seem to mesh well with BrindAmour and his coaching style......yet.
He is still a kid, so who knows.

At what point does he graduate from kid status? He's gonna be 24 heading into next season. Is Brady Tkachuk still a kid?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Carolina let Vincent Trocheck go

Ftr, this was done regardless if they had signed Kotkaniemi or not

 

[Goalfield22]

Ftr, this was done regardless if they had signed Kotkaniemi or not

I do not believe you.

 

[elmaco]

Why not re-sign Trocheck?

Not like he broke the bank or anything.

Because he was not a playoff superstar before this season, captain hindsight.

 

[BLONG7]

At what point does he graduate from kid status? He's gonna be 24 heading into next season. Is Brady Tkachuk still a kid?

True, he is right on that cusp now, and some may say he is not a kid..................Brady T is in the same boat, only he has zeroes across the board in the playoffs, so KK has one upped him there.

This upcoming season is huge for KK, if he is still with the Canes. He has talent, but doesn't have his coaches trust....stay tuned.
Maybe they should strap goalie gear on him??
lol

 

[Wateredgarden]

Also the Bergevin offer sheet to Aho was short, 5 years at the time, it took him directly to ufa so Carolina have to give him the bige pay sooner than what they were hoping for. Bergevin looked like a fool, but the truth is that he's coming out as the 4d chess player here.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

This is what happens when you mix personal feelings and business. Generally doesn't end well.

 

[Vivaldi]

It would honestly be better if they were trolling than if this was an actual sound hockey decision that pro hockey executives mulled over and decided on.

Then again given many of their other moves such as the Lindholm+Hanifin trade, letting Forsling go, signing Orlov and sticking him with DeAngelo/Chatfield on the 3rd pairing (might as well play him at forward lol), going with Darling, going with Andersen and Raanta again this year, it seems pretty on point.

 

[Vivaldi]

Also the Bergevin offer sheet to Aho was short, 5 years at the time, it took him directly to ufa so Carolina have to give him the bige pay sooner than what they were hoping for. Bergevin looked like a fool, but the truth is that he's coming out as the 4d chess player here.

If Bergevin was actually right about Canes being unable to match, even given a 10% chance, he would have looked like an absolute genius. It wasn't a particularly bad swing.

The only really dumb decision by him in all this was flushing the 1st and 3rd he got for Kotkaniemi on Dvorak while letting Danault go days earlier. But he was pretty infamous for being dogshit with players all but pushing out good ones who wanted to stay like Markov, Radulov, Danault (didn't want to stay at the end but you offer him 8x44 before FA he sure as shit does) while bending over for jobbers with eggbeaters for hands like Alzner, Gallagher, Anderson. Thats probably what really sunk him as he was arguably the best trading GM in the league

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Montreal fans finding small happy things, adorable.

I doubt OP is a Habs fan, stop crying...

 

[Kranix]

Was the offersheet Dundon's doing? He seems like a meddling piece of shit when he wants to be type of billionaire.

 

[Fatass]

This is what happens when you mix personal feelings and business. Generally doesn't end well.

Exactly! IMO the Canes’ owner got involved. Without him is there even an offer sheet?

 

[bleedgreen]

Exactly! IMO the Canes’ owner got involved. Without him is there even an offer sheet?

Considering they attempted to negotiate a trade and couldn’t get it done without the offer sheet….probably. Of course the owner got involved, they needed him to sign off on the money they wanted to spend….

Was the offersheet Dundon's doing? He seems like a meddling piece of shit when he wants to be type of billionaire.

No. It’s always been a narrative people just want to believe. It wasn’t the owners doing, they tried to trade for him. The comical part of the Canes doing this is limited to thinking Kk could be a 2C.

 

[AvroArrow]

Yeah but look at how bad they showed Montreal not to mess with their RFA's ?

 

[Fatass]

Considering they attempted to negotiate a trade and couldn’t get it done without the offer sheet….probably. Of course the owner got involved, they needed him to sign off on the money they wanted to spend….


No. It’s always been a narrative people just want to believe. It wasn’t the owners doing, they tried to trade for him. The comical part of the Canes doing this is limited to thinking Kk could be a 2C.

Owners get involved to okay big contracts. But imo the Canes’ owner got involved before that point. IMO he was the impetus behind the offer sheet. Just an opinion, of course, because no GM will ever publicly criticize their owner.

 

[Kranix]

Considering they attempted to negotiate a trade and couldn’t get it done without the offer sheet….probably. Of course the owner got involved, they needed him to sign off on the money they wanted to spend….


No. It’s always been a narrative people just want to believe. It wasn’t the owners doing, they tried to trade for him. The comical part of the Canes doing this is limited to thinking Kk could be a 2C.

Oh okay. I didn't know they were negotiating a trade before. It seemed the timing of it was purely revenge.

 

[bleedgreen]

Owners get involved to okay big contracts. But imo the Canes’ owner got involved before that point. IMO he was the impetus behind the offer sheet. Just an opinion, of course, because no GM will ever publicly criticize their owner.

Of course you’d love to believe that, because you’d love to believe a Texas buffoon billionaire who has no business owning a team would overrule his management and go after the team that insulted him by signing his star player to a cheap deal. Or whatever narrative you’d love to believe about Dundon. No owner does that, not even Dundon. No one would work for him if he did.

No one really cared about the Aho sheet, other than to say “thanks”. They didn’t throw millions away because they needed revenge. They did it because they did a crap job of identifying their next 2C.

Oh okay. I didn't know they were negotiating a trade before. It seemed the timing of it was purely revenge.

Well it makes for a good story, and on the Canes side they wanted to be on the limelight more. The new owner definitely wanted that. The twitter group went to Waddell and asked if they could have fun with the whole thing, and he said they could. I think both sides enjoyed the story blowing up because it made the off season fun and brought their teams into the spotlight. I don’t think anyone was ever supposed to actually believe the Canes were revenge signing KK.

 

[Fatass]

Of course you’d love to believe that, because you’d love to believe a Texas buffoon billionaire who has no business owning a team would overrule his management and go after the team that insulted him by signing his star player to a cheap deal. Or whatever narrative you’d love to believe about Dundon. No owner does that, not even Dundon. No one would work for him if he did.

No one really cared about the Aho sheet, other than to say “thanks”. They didn’t throw millions away because they needed revenge. They did it because they did a crap job of identifying their next 2C.


Well it makes for a good story, and on the Canes side they wanted to be on the limelight more. The new owner definitely wanted that. The twitter group went to Waddell and asked if they could have fun with the whole thing, and he said they could. I think both sides enjoyed the story blowing up because it made the off season fun and brought their teams into the spotlight. I don’t think anyone was ever supposed to actually believe the Canes were revenge signing KK.

NHL GMs make a lot of money and are living a dream. Of course they will follow the instructions of their owner. They won’t agree, and might even voice those concerns behind closed doors. But a GM who wants another job will never voice criticism of their owner publicly. So we will likely never know that the Canes’ owner was the one insisting upon going after JK because of anger he felt over the Aho offer sheet.

 

[Tryamw]

NHL GMs make a lot of money and are living a dream. Of course they will follow the instructions of their owner. They won’t agree, and might even voice those concerns behind closed doors. But a GM who wants another job will never voice criticism of their owner publicly. So we will likely never know that the Canes’ owner was the one insisting upon going after JK because of anger he felt over the Aho offer sheet.

But if it was for REVENGE why try to trade for him. That has never been answered.
Did they add some pettiness...Absolutely.
But was it their primary motivation. You think it was. Do I think it worked as wanted? No. But if we'd gotten the KK from the first week's of the season more then once this season... it wouldn't be nearly as bad