Proposal: Which forward under 25 years old would your team trade for the Habs' 1st pick (Winipeg's) who will be between 24-27 + one of these defenders (Harris,

[biturbo19]

Meh don't really like Kaliyev , if he's not on your top 6 he isn't very useful. More of a specialist. He'd end up being used like he is in LA when we'd get good enough.

Yeah. He's a "tweener". In the sense that he plays more of a "Top-6" game. But doesn't really have the skating or overall skill to hold down a spot there on a good team. Guys like that just aren't that valuable.


Someone like Newhook was far more of a useful Swiss Army Knife player. Any position on any line, he can contribute. Not really an ideal Top-6 Forward either...but with his speed, he's a much better bottom-6 fit. And while not as skilled a shooter, Newhook is the type of player who blows Kaliyev's all around skillset out of the water. Far more well-rounded and versatile player. Which can also translate to "upside" in the right situation.

Kaliyev is what he is. And there's not really a great fit on a good team for a player like that.

 

[Michoulicious]

Peyton Krebs?

Gotta cath'em all, those 2019 1st rounders!

 

[Baksfamous112]

was newhook on the avs top 6? was dach an established top 6 forward?

They don’t need to be top 6 F already but they at least need some speed and basic D coverage, which Kaliyev doesn’t have.

Ideally, we also want them to be relevant in the playoff. Kaliyev has yet to put a single point on the board so far in 3 playoff run.

I don’t hate the player per se, I just don’t feel like he would be a good fit in Montreal.

 

[jfhabs]

was newhook on the avs top 6? was dach an established top 6 forward?

No but they had qualities to make them more valuable to team success than Kaliyev.

He's not going to become a good skate just because we trade for him...

Look you're allowed to like him and believe he can overcome his flaws and become a top 6 forward. But I really don't see him with him.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Frost for that 1st and Struble

 

[Scintillating10]

Frost for that 1st and Struble

No, we probably keep it. Draft a Miettinen. Chance he is a steal

 

[Djp]

Romanov and 98th overall went for 13th overall
Dach went for 13th and 66th overall
Newhook went for 31st and 37th overall (and an AHLer)

So I don't get why people are acting like ~25th overall and Harris/Struble is some laughable offer for a struggling young F with potential.

The trades you mention are not the enorm.

Dach was still on an ELC. Romanov just finished his ELC. Both were 22 or younger.

Thr OP did not say struggle/ change of scenery player.

Habs better off packing
* Jets 1st (25-28 range)
* Mesar
* Avs 2nd
* Harris

To move from 25-28 to 14-18 range.

Therr is a big difference between 13-15 and 24-27 in terms of player you can get. That offer is a quantity for quality. Some teams needing more prospect depth might do it. They would need to change Harris for a player on sn ELC for next year. A team thst lacks prospects could do it.

Fair but what do you honestly think is fair? You won't get a grade A prospect stud on top of the Jets 1st. I think the package I posted does line up with past trades from before (ish). Not saying you should run and do it but the value is there.

Do you know much about Mesar? Please don't spin back that he is just some meh prospect. He's a late 1st who is trending well. Not grade A but certainly B+

Only reason you see Mesar's name is because Habs are already loaded with middle 6F types in our pool.

Cite a trade like that. It generally doesn’t happen. I know Sharks did something a few years ago.


Such a trade they would want a player that isn’t top 6 or bust.o

 

[pth2]

It's a collection of pieces that all hold (varying levels) of value, but none entice me to move #14.

It's a good reminder that abstract "value" doesn't exist.

Breaking a 50 for 3 10s and a twenty doesn't mean you can get a 50 back, so there is no reason to break a 50.

 

[HabsAddict]

No but they had qualities to make them more valuable to team success than Kaliyev.

He's not going to become a good skate just because we trade for him...

Look you're allowed to like him and believe he can overcome his flaws and become a top 6 forward. But I really don't see him with him.

Currently I' have a thread going in the LA forum about Kaliyev. I had a high opinion of him but from what I gather, he has shortcoming as a complete player with one outstanding quality, his shot.

He would be worth a low risk trade, but certainly not a late 1st or A prospect. Worse for him, he will enter the Habs organization that has an army of of mid range prospects that will eat his liver to get ahead...and he will get nowhere if he doesn't put in the hard work.

 

[HabsAddict]

Yeah. He's a "tweener". In the sense that he plays more of a "Top-6" game. But doesn't really have the skating or overall skill to hold down a spot there on a good team. Guys like that just aren't that valuable.


Someone like Newhook was far more of a useful Swiss Army Knife player. Any position on any line, he can contribute. Not really an ideal Top-6 Forward either...but with his speed, he's a much better bottom-6 fit. And while not as skilled a shooter, Newhook is the type of player who blows Kaliyev's all around skillset out of the water. Far more well-rounded and versatile player. Which can also translate to "upside" in the right situation.

Kaliyev is what he is. And there's not really a great fit on a good team for a player like that.

BINGO

I can't claim any first hand observations because I hardly watch/follow, but from various comments, that's what I think of him now.

Still think he is worth a low risk trade because sometimes a change of team can ignite a players desire to succeed. But...I don't hold much hope that there is a top 6 lurking in his skill set.

 

[Scintillating10]

I'm quite sure Habs taking Ignila in this draft. He's going to be best player out of draft. Celebrini may have more value where center. They said same things about his father when he was drafted.

If we do get Ignila? Nobody trades up and steals him on us. He'll play about 6'1 210 lbs. His father had late growth spurt. He's young for draft, more growth yet. I think opens doors for Habs to acquire a small forward. I like to get Marchessault. He's from here, 40 goals, character guy with ring. We need experience.

 

[viceroy]

My offer would be WIN 1st, Mesar and either one of our 2nd round or one of our young NHL D

I believe we only have one 2nd rounder this year and it's not even ours.

Tiny Cole is objectively tiny and plays kind of tiny as well, and he's going to be a fixture in their Top-6 for a long time. Suzuki isn't big either and doesn't play very big.

Cole may be small but he doesn't play scared and he is elusive. Suzuki as well and doesn't shy away from contact. He's 5'11" but weighs 212 lbs whereas Kirby Dach is clearly much larger but made out of glass.

No, we probably keep it. Draft a Miettinen. Chance he is a steal

Nice, then he can help the Habs out in 3 years... If he pans out.

Therr is a big difference between 13-15 and 24-27 in terms of player you can get.

I believe it was 14-18 for 25-28. So possibly just a 7 spot move for what is offered. I'm guessing he's hoping Greentree would still be available in the late teens.

I'm quite sure Habs taking Ignila in this draft. He's going to be best player out of draft.

I'm pretty sure he won't be the best. I'm expecting a solid 2nd line Winger is what he'll turn into. I've said this before but we have to consolidate our Centre position because of Dach's fragility. We gotta go for best CENTRE available.

Also for a player you love so much maybe you should learn how to spell his name. Every time you misspell names it makes your post seem more amateurish and your points therein more foolish.

 

[Xirik]

I believe we only have one 2nd rounder this year and it's not even ours.



Cole may be small but he doesn't play scared and he is elusive. Suzuki as well and doesn't shy away from contact. He's 5'11" but weighs 212 lbs whereas Kirby Dach is clearly much larger but made out of glass.



Nice, then he can help the Habs out in 3 years... If he pans out.



I believe it was 14-18 for 25-28. So possibly just a 7 spot move for what is offered. I'm guessing he's hoping Greentree would still be available in the late teens.



I'm pretty sure he won't be the best. I'm expecting a solid 2nd line Winger is what he'll turn into. I've said this before but we have to consolidate our Centre position because of Dach's fragility. We gotta go for best CENTRE available.

Also for a player you love so much maybe you should learn how to spell his name. Every time you misspell names it makes your post seem more amateurish and your points therein more foolish.

Lindstrom is probably going top 4 and Catton is probably not going to be a center long term. So I guess the choices are Helenius who probably is a bit of a reach at 5th OV and Boisvert who would definitely be a reach as he's in the 13-20 range.

Could be a better idea to draft a different position at 5th and try and trade up to get Boisvert. He's from Quebec so everyone will be happy!

I know Habs fan GoldenHands would love the Helenius pick though.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Therr is a big difference between 13-15 and 24-27 in terms of player you can get. That offer is a quantity for quality. Some teams needing more prospect depth might do it. They would need to change Harris for a player on sn ELC for next year. A team thst lacks prospects could do it.


Cite a trade like that. It generally doesn’t happen. I know Sharks did something a few years ago.


Such a trade they would want a player that isn’t top 6 or bust.o

You take the offer or not. It's a solid quantity package and it does beat most other offers of teams trading up/down in the past.

 

[biturbo19]

Cole may be small but he doesn't play scared and he is elusive. Suzuki as well and doesn't shy away from contact. He's 5'11" but weighs 212 lbs whereas Kirby Dach is clearly much larger but made out of glass.

I mean...Cole is still "small" and "soft" in that his best skillset is finding those soft areas to...well...score goals. That's his jam.


Suzuki isn't "soft" either. But he ain't hard either. He's just a smaller player who plays hard and had a lot to prove if he wants to be seen as a smaller player who excels in the heaviness of playoffs.


Dach is definitely huge. But again...being made of glass isn't a very convincing size element. Though i think the Habs are leaning on him suddenly turning on a corner on that. He's got a lot of other tools. And Slafkovsky is a mutant sized person who is clearly "figuring it out".

BINGO

I can't claim any first hand observations because I hardly watch/follow, but from various comments, that's what I think of him now.

Still think he is worth a low risk trade because sometimes a change of team can ignite a players desire to succeed. But...I don't hold much hope that there is a top 6 lurking in his skill set.

He's Andrei Kostistyn...but less talented in every way.

I wouldn't even bother.

 

[General Fanager]

I believe we only have one 2nd rounder this year and it's not even ours.



Cole may be small but he doesn't play scared and he is elusive. Suzuki as well and doesn't shy away from contact. He's 5'11" but weighs 212 lbs whereas Kirby Dach is clearly much larger but made out of glass.



Nice, then he can help the Habs out in 3 years... If he pans out.



I believe it was 14-18 for 25-28. So possibly just a 7 spot move for what is offered. I'm guessing he's hoping Greentree would still be available in the late teens.



I'm pretty sure he won't be the best. I'm expecting a solid 2nd line Winger is what he'll turn into. I've said this before but we have to consolidate our Centre position because of Dach's fragility. We gotta go for best CENTRE available.

Also for a player you love so much maybe you should learn how to spell his name. Every time you misspell names it makes your post seem more amateurish and your points therein more foolish.

This is a recipe for disaster. This is how they got into this mess in the first place.

BPA is the way to go and if they insist on a forward then best forward available.

They HAVE to stop drafting for specific position.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is a recipe for disaster. This is how they got into this mess in the first place.

BPA is the way to go and if they insist on a forward then best forward available.

They HAVE to stop drafting for specific position.

It's OK to draft by need/position as long as you don't reach like the KK pick. Habs did need a power winger with skill (Slaf) and we did need a RD (Reinbacher) where we could have drafted Michkov who was also a need.

I think many fans are confused with BPA from 2-10+ in this draft.

 

[General Fanager]

It's OK to draft by need/position as long as you don't reach like the KK pick. Habs did need a power winger with skill (Slaf) and we did need a RD (Reinbacher) where we could have drafted Michkov who was also a need.

I think many fans are confused with BPA from 2-10+ in this draft.

They have gotten in trouble in the past reaching and drafting for a need. I still think BPA is the way to go (unless skill level is fairly close) and the rest will sort itself out in the end.

HuGo has proved they are not opposed to trading assets to fill holes.

 

[Habs Halifax]

They have gotten in trouble in the past reaching and drafting for a need. I still think BPA is the way to go (unless skill level is fairly close) and the rest will sort itself out in the end.

HuGo has proved they are not opposed to trading assets to fill holes.

They are not here anymore.

BPA is subjective to who you ask and you really have to pay attention to what Bob M said (It's all over the place from 2-10+). It really only exist with fans when they look back acting like experts, years later

I am sure the Habs target the best BPA/team need.... like they did with Slaf and Reinbacher. Even the top teams who have drafted well for 10 years do this.

 

[General Fanager]

They are not here anymore.

BPA is subjective to who you ask and you really have to pay attention to what Bob M said (It's all over the place from 2-10+). It really only exist with fans when they look back acting like experts, years later

I am sure the Habs target the best BPA/team need.... like they did with Slaf and Reinbacher. Even the top teams who have drafted well for 10 years do this.

Maybe so but Bobs list is based on him asking and rankings form many scouts and averaging it out.

Helenius hasn't been anywhere near top 5 on any list that I am aware of.

 

[Dichow Stopper]

Frost for that 1st and Struble

Give me Farabee.

 

[samsagat]

You are better off sticking the the Hab's forum and enabling each others fantasies.

Fantasies like Chiarot, Lehkonen and Monahan being worth a late first?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Give me Farabee.

Meh, hoping to get a center for Farabee.

 

[pth2]

I mean...Cole is still "small" and "soft" in that his best skillset is finding those soft areas to...well...score goals. That's his jam.


Suzuki isn't "soft" either. But he ain't hard either. He's just a smaller player who plays hard and had a lot to prove if he wants to be seen as a smaller player who excels in the heaviness of playoffs.

Suzuki was top offensive center for a Cup finalist, I think he's shown he can do well in the playoffs.

Caufield had 12 points in 20 games, which were his games #11 to 31 in the NHL.

Both have shown they are just fine in the playoffs.