Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

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I’ll never understand how any particular type of scoring in a sport can be considered a dick move. Who gives a shit if it’s 7-0? If there’s time on the clock, there’s time to do your job and put the puck in the net. In fact, I think we need more players with the mentality that they should keep pouring it on regardless of the score.
 
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Two more wins out of next 3 games and they would be celebrating championship in front of home crowd.



I'm feeling genuinely excited for the city of Moose Jaw for this rare opportunity to capture their first WHL title in their 40 years of existence. Last and only time they've been in the finals was in 2006 when they were swept 4-0 by Gilbert Brule and the Vancouver Giants. Of course, to watch Mateychuk as the captain of the team ending his remarkable junior career as a champ would make it all extra special.
 

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I thought he was only good enough to be a tough guy.


Came here to see if anyone had posted this. London fan coming in peace.

McCue has always been a solid player for us, He has an edge, is physical, and not afraid to go to the net. Pretty good at faceoffs as well. Pretty well rounded player. I have concerns about his potential ceiling because he doesn't do any one thing well enough to call it elite, but he also doesn't have any glaring deficiencies in his game. If anything it's his penchant to push things too far with the refs in tight games, but that's really barely a thing and depends too much on the refs to really say it's a problem. He could benefit from tightening things up a bit though.

He's definitely not the biggest guy or going to be a Ryan Reaves or Matt Martin type that just bangs the bodies and fights, but he will be a great energy guy and grinder. He should see some time in the AHL next season and learn how to be effective against men, and if he wants to succeed at the NHL probably will want to improve his skating and strength. Could easily see him being a consistent 4th liner and PKer in the NHL, but past that he'll have to improve loads, at best he is a complementary player middle sixer. Don't see that being the case in CBJ though.
 

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Came here to see if anyone had posted this. London fan coming in peace.

McCue has always been a solid player for us, He has an edge, is physical, and not afraid to go to the net. Pretty good at faceoffs as well. Pretty well rounded player. I have concerns about his potential ceiling because he doesn't do any one thing well enough to call it elite, but he also doesn't have any glaring deficiencies in his game. If anything it's his penchant to push things too far with the refs in tight games, but that's really barely a thing and depends too much on the refs to really say it's a problem. He could benefit from tightening things up a bit though.

He's definitely not the biggest guy or going to be a Ryan Reaves or Matt Martin type that just bangs the bodies and fights, but he will be a great energy guy and grinder. He should see some time in the AHL next season and learn how to be effective against men, and if he wants to succeed at the NHL probably will want to improve his skating and strength. Could easily see him being a consistent 4th liner and PKer in the NHL, but past that he'll have to improve loads, at best he is a complementary player middle sixer. Don't see that being the case in CBJ though.
How does he compare to Kole Sherwood?
 

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How does he compare to Kole Sherwood?
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a very, very long time.

First of all, I can barely remember when garbage day is, let alone my viewings of a prospect from roughly 9 years ago, so keep that in mind.

Sherwood was only in London for one year, and I didn't really keep up with him as much once he was traded, which is to say that I didn't watch every single game he played and pay attention to each shift. At the time I was also working like 60 hours a week on night shift so I just didn't watch much in general.

Sherwood's skating was decent to good at the OHL level, but I think that his skating somewhat stagnated past that point and he was a little more awkward and weak on his skates the bigger he got. I seem to recall him being smaller when he played for the Knights, but that might just be misremembering things.

The big thing about Sherwood was that he was a speedy, hardworking, somewhat gritty player and energy guy who was great on the forecheck and the PK and had a good enough shot that he could score goals. I liked him and Cliff Pu a lot at the time, and I think that's because the Hunters seemingly just have a way of getting the most out of guys that come to them.

In Sherwood's case, after he was traded I remember him getting a lot more physical, meaner, and nastier. He started looking to make hits and would sometimes get lost on where he should be and was out of position. On the other hand, he was given a lot more responsibility in Flint and Kitchener, He played on the top line and looked pretty good doing it.

The thing is...I don't know if I'm just biased, or if I'm just looking back with hindsight, but even in his campaign with Kitchener in the playoffs I never saw someone who was anything more than a complimentary piece at best. He had a good, quick shot, but it was more like his shots just had homing beacons in them that found the net than that his shot was actually insanely good, if that makes any sense? He would routinely come off the rush down the halfboards like 30ft from the net and fire a soft(ish) wrister that would just beat the goalie clean, or he would get breakaways and deke out the goalie, or he would either pass the puck or receive the puck for some of the easiest tap in goals I've ever seen. Just so many plays where it seemed like the defense or goalie just wasn't good enough to save the puck or interfere with his shot at all. It was bizarre. He would routinely get goals in the OHL where he just got the puck in front of the net, wired it, and it would go in.

And like, there's something to be said for guys with a "nose for the net" like that, because I think it's one of the easiest translatable skills to the NHL, and having the IQ to anticipate plays and be in the right position is something that's easily overlooked. It's one of my favorite things about Michkov, for example, because he gets so many goals by measuring his space well and sneaking into scoring positions just enough that the defense doesn't cover him tight enough and he has a lethal wrist shot in close.

And I've seen Sherwood have those exact same types of plays I saw in Kitchener in the AHL and NHL...but now they don't go in. They're just easy saves for the goalie.

If anything it's like he regressed and became a different kind of player. Less of a skill guy and more of a grinder. Which is fine, he probably didn't have the skill to be a top 6 player anyways. I think he mostly just stagnated and didn't work on his offensive game enough, and while he still has all the stuff he did in Jr, hasn't really improved from that much. Dunno why. Maybe it was Covid and injury, who knows.

Full disclosure, I went on Youtube and looked through all of Sherwoods points with Kitchener to try and remind myself what he was like with them.

Anyways. You wanted to know how I compare McCue to him.

I think McCue is better in some aspects and worse in others. I think offensively McCue probably isn't as good as Sherwood. I *think* he has a better shot and is a better skater, but it's very close. His playmaking is definitely worse.

Defensively though, I do think he's much better than Sherwood was at the same point in time. McCue can often get penalized for his hits and for mixing it up after the whistle, but he rarely is out of position and when he does make a hit is quick to get back into position. His forecheck probably isn't as good as Sherwood's was, but he's pretty much never caught floating and is often the guy who covers for his d-men when they pinch. He's often just the guy who gets back to break up a man advantage on the rush.

He also doesn't look for the big open ice hit like I've seen Sherwood do. I think his defensive IQ is very high, as he rarely makes mistakes defensively and often corrects for his mistakes when he does. He isn't a selfish player or a player who pushes for an extra chance, he does all the little things correctly, recognizing when he should dump it in, getting back, clogging up the neutral zone, etc. His motor is really, really good. I just watched a 2OT game against Oshawa and I don't think he was gassed at all. He was still getting back, defending plays, and being a huge influence as the extra forward coming back to help the D. This is a somewhat unfair comparison, but it looked like Easton Cowan might die at any minute during some timeframes of that game, and at the end he pushed himself to stay out on the ice for another 30 seconds with the game tied. McCue, meanwhile, looked like the same he had always been. I think that speaks to his endurance, and I think that speaks a lot to the kind of player he is.

He may not amount to much in the NHL, but he will give you his all and do all the hard things no one else will, and he will put the team first.
 

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Now there's a name I haven't heard in a very, very long time.

First of all, I can barely remember when garbage day is, let alone my viewings of a prospect from roughly 9 years ago, so keep that in mind.

Sherwood was only in London for one year, and I didn't really keep up with him as much once he was traded, which is to say that I didn't watch every single game he played and pay attention to each shift. At the time I was also working like 60 hours a week on night shift so I just didn't watch much in general.

Sherwood's skating was decent to good at the OHL level, but I think that his skating somewhat stagnated past that point and he was a little more awkward and weak on his skates the bigger he got. I seem to recall him being smaller when he played for the Knights, but that might just be misremembering things.

The big thing about Sherwood was that he was a speedy, hardworking, somewhat gritty player and energy guy who was great on the forecheck and the PK and had a good enough shot that he could score goals. I liked him and Cliff Pu a lot at the time, and I think that's because the Hunters seemingly just have a way of getting the most out of guys that come to them.

In Sherwood's case, after he was traded I remember him getting a lot more physical, meaner, and nastier. He started looking to make hits and would sometimes get lost on where he should be and was out of position. On the other hand, he was given a lot more responsibility in Flint and Kitchener, He played on the top line and looked pretty good doing it.

The thing is...I don't know if I'm just biased, or if I'm just looking back with hindsight, but even in his campaign with Kitchener in the playoffs I never saw someone who was anything more than a complimentary piece at best. He had a good, quick shot, but it was more like his shots just had homing beacons in them that found the net than that his shot was actually insanely good, if that makes any sense? He would routinely come off the rush down the halfboards like 30ft from the net and fire a soft(ish) wrister that would just beat the goalie clean, or he would get breakaways and deke out the goalie, or he would either pass the puck or receive the puck for some of the easiest tap in goals I've ever seen. Just so many plays where it seemed like the defense or goalie just wasn't good enough to save the puck or interfere with his shot at all. It was bizarre. He would routinely get goals in the OHL where he just got the puck in front of the net, wired it, and it would go in.

And like, there's something to be said for guys with a "nose for the net" like that, because I think it's one of the easiest translatable skills to the NHL, and having the IQ to anticipate plays and be in the right position is something that's easily overlooked. It's one of my favorite things about Michkov, for example, because he gets so many goals by measuring his space well and sneaking into scoring positions just enough that the defense doesn't cover him tight enough and he has a lethal wrist shot in close.

And I've seen Sherwood have those exact same types of plays I saw in Kitchener in the AHL and NHL...but now they don't go in. They're just easy saves for the goalie.

If anything it's like he regressed and became a different kind of player. Less of a skill guy and more of a grinder. Which is fine, he probably didn't have the skill to be a top 6 player anyways. I think he mostly just stagnated and didn't work on his offensive game enough, and while he still has all the stuff he did in Jr, hasn't really improved from that much. Dunno why. Maybe it was Covid and injury, who knows.

Full disclosure, I went on Youtube and looked through all of Sherwoods points with Kitchener to try and remind myself what he was like with them.

Anyways. You wanted to know how I compare McCue to him.

I think McCue is better in some aspects and worse in others. I think offensively McCue probably isn't as good as Sherwood. I *think* he has a better shot and is a better skater, but it's very close. His playmaking is definitely worse.

Defensively though, I do think he's much better than Sherwood was at the same point in time. McCue can often get penalized for his hits and for mixing it up after the whistle, but he rarely is out of position and when he does make a hit is quick to get back into position. His forecheck probably isn't as good as Sherwood's was, but he's pretty much never caught floating and is often the guy who covers for his d-men when they pinch. He's often just the guy who gets back to break up a man advantage on the rush.

He also doesn't look for the big open ice hit like I've seen Sherwood do. I think his defensive IQ is very high, as he rarely makes mistakes defensively and often corrects for his mistakes when he does. He isn't a selfish player or a player who pushes for an extra chance, he does all the little things correctly, recognizing when he should dump it in, getting back, clogging up the neutral zone, etc. His motor is really, really good. I just watched a 2OT game against Oshawa and I don't think he was gassed at all. He was still getting back, defending plays, and being a huge influence as the extra forward coming back to help the D. This is a somewhat unfair comparison, but it looked like Easton Cowan might die at any minute during some timeframes of that game, and at the end he pushed himself to stay out on the ice for another 30 seconds with the game tied. McCue, meanwhile, looked like the same he had always been. I think that speaks to his endurance, and I think that speaks a lot to the kind of player he is.

He may not amount to much in the NHL, but he will give you his all and do all the hard things no one else will, and he will put the team first.

Thanks for this.

I also recall Kole Sherwood getting heavier and heavier each year. He got to the point where he could really rock guys with big hits. If he had an open wing he could fly down and rip it in. He really did have a good shot in open space. Just not very quick to find pockets of space, and his agility and first step either got worse as he got bigger or it just stagnated. He wasn't quick enough on the forecheck and not always smart.

Anyways that's all a few years ago now. Kole is currently a callup option in the Preds org, his brother's team. His game could be different now.

So were you saying that McCue's playmaking is poor? How is he on the cycle game? If he fits on a great cycle line then I could forgive weaker passing ability.
 

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Thanks for this.

I also recall Kole Sherwood getting heavier and heavier each year. He got to the point where he could really rock guys with big hits. If he had an open wing he could fly down and rip it in. He really did have a good shot in open space. Just not very quick to find pockets of space, and his agility and first step either got worse as he got bigger or it just stagnated. He wasn't quick enough on the forecheck and not always smart.

Anyways that's all a few years ago now. Kole is currently a callup option in the Preds org, his brother's team. His game could be different now.

So were you saying that McCue's playmaking is poor? How is he on the cycle game? If he fits on a great cycle line then I could forgive weaker passing ability.
I wouldn't say McCue's playmaking is poor. He has pretty good vision and a decent amount of IQ. He is definitely worse than Sherwood at the same age in that regard though. I would say the main problem with his playmaking is his actual passing ability. His passes often are stuck in sticks or skates and not very accurate. He's still a decent enough playmaker though, and could easily get much better.

His cycle game is alright. He prefers to finish checks and his stickwork isn't amazing so he will often focus on that instead of trying to get the puck on the forecheck, but he protects the puck very well and is good at creating space and getting to the puck before his opponents because of his ability to keep opponents away after a check. He's reasonably decent at cycling the puck but his aforementioned passing issues sometimes come into play here. He is very good against the forecheck though as he is adept at shielding the puck and you usually only need one pass to break out.
 

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Now there's a name I haven't heard in a very, very long time.

First of all, I can barely remember when garbage day is, let alone my viewings of a prospect from roughly 9 years ago, so keep that in mind.

Sherwood was only in London for one year, and I didn't really keep up with him as much once he was traded, which is to say that I didn't watch every single game he played and pay attention to each shift. At the time I was also working like 60 hours a week on night shift so I just didn't watch much in general.

Sherwood's skating was decent to good at the OHL level, but I think that his skating somewhat stagnated past that point and he was a little more awkward and weak on his skates the bigger he got. I seem to recall him being smaller when he played for the Knights, but that might just be misremembering things.

The big thing about Sherwood was that he was a speedy, hardworking, somewhat gritty player and energy guy who was great on the forecheck and the PK and had a good enough shot that he could score goals. I liked him and Cliff Pu a lot at the time, and I think that's because the Hunters seemingly just have a way of getting the most out of guys that come to them.

In Sherwood's case, after he was traded I remember him getting a lot more physical, meaner, and nastier. He started looking to make hits and would sometimes get lost on where he should be and was out of position. On the other hand, he was given a lot more responsibility in Flint and Kitchener, He played on the top line and looked pretty good doing it.

The thing is...I don't know if I'm just biased, or if I'm just looking back with hindsight, but even in his campaign with Kitchener in the playoffs I never saw someone who was anything more than a complimentary piece at best. He had a good, quick shot, but it was more like his shots just had homing beacons in them that found the net than that his shot was actually insanely good, if that makes any sense? He would routinely come off the rush down the halfboards like 30ft from the net and fire a soft(ish) wrister that would just beat the goalie clean, or he would get breakaways and deke out the goalie, or he would either pass the puck or receive the puck for some of the easiest tap in goals I've ever seen. Just so many plays where it seemed like the defense or goalie just wasn't good enough to save the puck or interfere with his shot at all. It was bizarre. He would routinely get goals in the OHL where he just got the puck in front of the net, wired it, and it would go in.

And like, there's something to be said for guys with a "nose for the net" like that, because I think it's one of the easiest translatable skills to the NHL, and having the IQ to anticipate plays and be in the right position is something that's easily overlooked. It's one of my favorite things about Michkov, for example, because he gets so many goals by measuring his space well and sneaking into scoring positions just enough that the defense doesn't cover him tight enough and he has a lethal wrist shot in close.

And I've seen Sherwood have those exact same types of plays I saw in Kitchener in the AHL and NHL...but now they don't go in. They're just easy saves for the goalie.

If anything it's like he regressed and became a different kind of player. Less of a skill guy and more of a grinder. Which is fine, he probably didn't have the skill to be a top 6 player anyways. I think he mostly just stagnated and didn't work on his offensive game enough, and while he still has all the stuff he did in Jr, hasn't really improved from that much. Dunno why. Maybe it was Covid and injury, who knows.

Full disclosure, I went on Youtube and looked through all of Sherwoods points with Kitchener to try and remind myself what he was like with them.

Anyways. You wanted to know how I compare McCue to him.

I think McCue is better in some aspects and worse in others. I think offensively McCue probably isn't as good as Sherwood. I *think* he has a better shot and is a better skater, but it's very close. His playmaking is definitely worse.

Defensively though, I do think he's much better than Sherwood was at the same point in time. McCue can often get penalized for his hits and for mixing it up after the whistle, but he rarely is out of position and when he does make a hit is quick to get back into position. His forecheck probably isn't as good as Sherwood's was, but he's pretty much never caught floating and is often the guy who covers for his d-men when they pinch. He's often just the guy who gets back to break up a man advantage on the rush.

He also doesn't look for the big open ice hit like I've seen Sherwood do. I think his defensive IQ is very high, as he rarely makes mistakes defensively and often corrects for his mistakes when he does. He isn't a selfish player or a player who pushes for an extra chance, he does all the little things correctly, recognizing when he should dump it in, getting back, clogging up the neutral zone, etc. His motor is really, really good. I just watched a 2OT game against Oshawa and I don't think he was gassed at all. He was still getting back, defending plays, and being a huge influence as the extra forward coming back to help the D. This is a somewhat unfair comparison, but it looked like Easton Cowan might die at any minute during some timeframes of that game, and at the end he pushed himself to stay out on the ice for another 30 seconds with the game tied. McCue, meanwhile, looked like the same he had always been. I think that speaks to his endurance, and I think that speaks a lot to the kind of player he is.

He may not amount to much in the NHL, but he will give you his all and do all the hard things no one else will, and he will put the team first.
This is a great post, thank you.
 

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3-0 series lead for the Warriors. One more win. Mateychuk was mostly impressive in Game 3. First goal against was a result of bad defensive read by him and especially his d partner Parker, and the Winterhawks third goal initially started with Mateychuk needlessly icing the puck and Warriors losing the following faceoff. All game long Portland clearly tried to intimidate/frustrate him with all kinds of hits but he kept his cool and scored two huge PP goals in the 2nd.


 
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This comment is suited for the "what do you want in a new GM" thread but it's about Mateychuk so I'll put it here:

I want the new GM to have patience with him. With players in general, but in the immediate future, with Denton specifically. He's the kind of player that past leadership would have been all "see what awesome new exciting thing we have for you?" And if this kid wins a championship and has a great summer and a good camp... I'm not even saying it would be wrong, just not my preferred path.
 

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This comment is suited for the "what do you want in a new GM" thread but it's about Mateychuk so I'll put it here:

I want the new GM to have patience with him. With players in general, but in the immediate future, with Denton specifically. He's the kind of player that past leadership would have been all "see what awesome new exciting thing we have for you?" And if this kid wins a championship and has a great summer and a good camp... I'm not even saying it would be wrong, just not my preferred path.
I hope the new GM puts the best players on the NHL roster, regardless of who it is. Mateychuk has been developing for 2 years after he was drafted. Werenski had 1 and turned out ok. If he’s ready play him.

I’d consider him to be the same level prospect as someone like Korchinski, but unlike Korchinski Mateychuk would have much more favorable and sheltered usage (unless he earns more time) than Korchinski got this year.
 
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I hope the new GM puts the best players on the NHL roster, regardless of who it is.
That seems like a smart policy, obvious and with the team's best interest at heart.

This would mean that if Mateychuk is better than, say Jake Bean, right now, then he'd make the squad. But what if a year in Cleveland would make Mateychuk better (i.e. be better for his long-term development) than he would have been if he'd have come straight to the show, better in 2026, 2027, the rest of his career? It's worth it to play a "worse" player in Jake Bean for next season and get a better-than-he-would-have-been Mateychuk moving forward starting the following year. IMO of course.

None of this is to say I know for sure Denton needs that year, or that all players should have their development approached in the same way. But I'd just like to know that patience is in the new GMs arsenal.
 
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But if Mateychuk is better than, say Jake Bean, right now, then he'd make the squad. But what if a year in Cleveland would make Mateychuk better (i.e. be better for his long-term development) than he would have been if he'd have come straight to the show, better in 2026, 2027, the rest of his career? It's worth it to play a "worse" player in Jake Bean for next season and get a better-than-he-would-have-been Mateychuk moving forward starting the following year. IMO of course.
What does he need to learn in Cleveland that he can’t here, especially in 1 season?

I agree that it might make sense with certain players needing things like strength, or transition pivoting (Jiricek for both). However I think it would be very difficult to be better than other players and have glaring issues that need to be resolved in CLE. Anyways, I don’t see the need for that sort of thing with Mateychuk. He is already bigger than Adam Fox, and a good skater.

This is all a hypothetical of course, if Jake Bean is better next year play him. But IIRC, Mateychuk looked very good at the NHL level during training camp and preseason last year.
 
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What does he need to learn in Cleveland that he can’t here, especially in 1 season?

I agree that it might make sense with certain players needing things like strength, or transition pivoting (Jiricek for both). However I think it would be very difficult to be better than other players and have glaring issues that need to be resolved in CLE. Anyways, I don’t see the need for that sort of thing with Mateychuk. He is already bigger than Adam Fox, and a good skater.

This is all a hypothetical of course, if Jake Bean is better next year play him. But IIRC, Mateychuk looked very good at the NHL level during training camp and preseason last year.
The "issues" don't need to be "glaring" to benefit from a step up year and additional development. There are varying ways such an approach could benefit the player.

Please note that I said I don't expect that all players will need to be developed in the same way. My point about Mateychuk is that he'll kind of be the first opportunity we'll have to see what the new GM is thinking in that specific area - and that I'll be encouraged if patience is shown, especially with a player who seems to be knocking on (if not down) the door.
 

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The "issues" don't need to be "glaring" to benefit from a step up year and additional development.
Never said they had to be. “I think it would be very difficult to be better than other players (like Bean) and have glaring issues that need to be resolved in CLE.” Thus, if Mateychuk is a better player than Jake Bean (6 pro seasons, AHL Defenseman of the year) next season, his floor is pretty high and his “issues” relatively small, and you can live with the growing pains.
There are varying ways such an approach could benefit the player.
And unfortunately, very hard to quantify/ confirm the benefit in areas where there are not blatant gaps. So benefits / debating about a vague topic is probably stupid for me. Anyway, Werenski did just fine, without a full AHL year. Do you think it would have made a difference at all to have him play a full year in the AHL? Could we ever really even know :laugh:

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I hope the new GM puts the best players on the NHL roster, regardless of who it is.
Since the topic is around Mateychuk, I talked about him and how he potentially could be close to NHL level. However the post above was mainly in regard to guys like Kuraly, Danforth, Olivier, Laine, whoever. If for (hyperbolic) example, you think Luca Del Bel Belluz is a better player right now than Kuraly, please put LDBB on the roster. I don’t care how much money somebody makes.
 
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Never said they had to be. “I think it would be very difficult to be better than other players (like Bean) and have glaring issues that need to be resolved in CLE.” Thus, if Mateychuk is a better player than Jake Bean (6 pro seasons, AHL Defenseman of the year) next season, his floor is pretty high and his “issues” relatively small, and you can live with the growing pains.

And unfortunately, very hard to quantify/ confirm the benefit in areas where there are not blatant gaps. So benefits / debating about a vague topic is probably stupid for me. Anyway, Werenski did just fine, without a full AHL year. Do you think it would have made a difference at all to have him play a full year in the AHL? Could we ever really even know :laugh:

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Since the topic is around Mateychuk, I talked about him and how he potentially could be close to NHL level. However the post above was mainly in regard to guys like Kuraly, Danforth, Olivier, Laine, whoever. If for (hyperbolic) example, you think Luca Del Bel Belluz is a better player right now than Kuraly, please put LDBB on the roster. I don’t care how much money somebody makes.
OK but I'm not talking about how much money a player makes, but how good they are going to be over the course of their career, despite how good they are in the immediate.

Of course it's "very hard to quantify/confirm the benefit in areas where there are not blatant gaps." If that makes discussing this topic "stupid," then that's whatever.

But that's also the reason why I attempted to present the subject as "Mateychuk is a case study in patience" and not "Mateychuk isn't good enough" or "Mateychuk needs work on...".
 
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What does he need to learn in Cleveland that he can’t here, especially in 1 season?
Well for one thing he would learn to play larger minutes than he would in Columbus.

He wouldn't be subjected to PV and his reluctance to play the young guys.

He'd play higher up in the lineup.

He could work on his weaknesses without fear of being benched.

I am fully supportive of him being in Cleveland for the whole season but could live with him getting a taste of the NHL either at the beginning of the season or preferably towards the end.
 

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I would draw the line with Mateychuk at whether he is top 4 caliber. Once he meets that bar he can play in the NHL. I think he's probably already there. We'll see in the Fall.
 
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I would draw the line with Mateychuk at whether he is top 4 caliber. Once he meets that bar he can play in the NHL. I think he's probably already there. We'll see in the Fall.
I looked up Makar & Fox timelines and iot appears that Mateychuk's post draft time is similar so if he is at their level I agree with camp should tell the story. So if he can surplant Provorov- that's his hurdle?
 

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I looked up Makar & Fox timelines and iot appears that Mateychuk's post draft time is similar so if he is at their level I agree with camp should tell the story. So if he can surplant Provorov- that's his hurdle?

I put it as top 4 "caliber", not necessarily minutes. If he plays 17-18 minutes a night next year, that's fine. But he has to be playing well enough where he is a genuine upgrade on what Bean has given us, otherwise I'd have Mateychuk in the A for a year.
 

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What does he need to learn in Cleveland that he can’t here, especially in 1 season?

I agree that it might make sense with certain players needing things like strength, or transition pivoting (Jiricek for both). However I think it would be very difficult to be better than other players and have glaring issues that need to be resolved in CLE. Anyways, I don’t see the need for that sort of thing with Mateychuk. He is already bigger than Adam Fox, and a good skater.

This is all a hypothetical of course, if Jake Bean is better next year play him. But IIRC, Mateychuk looked very good at the NHL level during training camp and preseason last year.
Something that basically every kid needs to work on is handling those peaks and valleys. Learning that it's a LONG grind of the season and training your body and mind to be able to handle the stresses, the lows(losing streaks) and the highs and being able to maintain consistent play is something that every player has to develop at every level.

Things are coming easy to him in the WHL that he will have to work on and adjust to play against better competition and you never know how someone will handle that.
 
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I put it as top 4 "caliber", not necessarily minutes. If he plays 17-18 minutes a night next year, that's fine. But he has to be playing well enough where he is a genuine upgrade on what Bean has given us, otherwise I'd have Mateychuk in the A for a year.
Yep. If he’s better than Bean, play him! That would be a good target for TOI if he makes it.

Korchinski was playing 20 mins a night, Mintyukov 19, in less sheltered roles than Mateychuk would be (I think). If he’s bottom pair level, he’s not better than Jake Bean aka there is no point in having him at the NHL level.
 
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Well for one thing he would learn to play larger minutes than he would in Columbus.
Is he not already playing a crap ton?
He wouldn't be subjected to PV and his reluctance to play the young guys.
Maybe PV will be gone 😄
But I get it
He'd play higher up in the lineup.
What is that teaching him though? Is he not doing that now?
He could work on his weaknesses without fear of being benched.
You can do that in practice too. Again, I’m asking what weakness(es) does he need to work on, and if it is not something such as strength, why is only possible at the AHL level (should he show that he is a better player already than someone like Jake Bean)?
I am fully supportive of him being in Cleveland for the whole season but could live with him getting a taste of the NHL either at the beginning of the season or preferably towards the end.
Am I remembering correctly that CBJ Brass was looking into granting Mateychuk and Dumais exempt CHL status because they felt they were pro/AHL ready last year?

I looked up Makar & Fox timelines and iot appears that Mateychuk's post draft time is similar so if he is at their level I agree with camp should tell the story.
So we are on the same page then? The best players need to play, whoever it is when the time comes.
 
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I'm feeling genuinely excited for the city of Moose Jaw for this rare opportunity to capture their first WHL title in their 40 years of existence. Last and only time they've been in the finals was in 2006 when they were swept 4-0 by Gilbert Brule and the Vancouver Giants. Of course, to watch Mateychuk as the captain of the team ending his remarkable junior career as a champ would make it all extra special.

Have has Rysavy been?
 

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