That I don't want you to be a common denominator lol. Atleast Laf didn't factor into this exampleWhat are you trying to say?
That I don't want you to be a common denominator lol. Atleast Laf didn't factor into this exampleWhat are you trying to say?
The point is that they're usually ready to make the jump, and it's not wrong. And by the way, complaining (erroneously) that an argument is anecdotal and then arguing against it with cherrypicked anecdotes is the not the own you think it is, man. Nor is calling Elias Lindholm a "questionable" NHL success, Jesus.Okay, please stop acting like your point can be proven. It is anecdotal at best.
The point is that they're usually ready to make the jump, and it's not wrong. And by the way, complaining (erroneously) that an argument is anecdotal and then arguing against it with cherrypicked anecdotes is the not the own you think it is, man. Nor is calling Elias Lindholm a "questionable" NHL success, Jesus.
Welp, there goes my morning.Anyways, I'm not going to agree to disagree and not continue into a pissing match.
Lol!For reference I took every top 10 pick the played in a Euro mens league in their draft year over the last 10 years. That isn't cherrypicking.
Those Sedins, what might have been if only they'd been left to marinate longer. Yes, off you go.And yes, I question if the development path Lindholm was a positive or negative. He was a 40 point player in the first 5 season in the NHL. For a 5th overall pick that is pretty bad.
Anyways, I'm not going to agree to disagree and not continue into a pissing match.
It only goes against his philosophy (which I don't think really is his philosophy tbh) if Leo's not ready to continue his development here. People are ruling that out sight unseen.I know the thread is about the question should not will, but for expectations to be realistic I think it bears mentioning that Verbeek's been quoted, several times, saying he wants prospects to take it slow developing into the players they can be. Bringing Leo in immediately would be going against that philosophy quite flagrantly.
Obviously that, too, begs the question of whether top 3 overall picks are a different kind of prospect, and in many ways they probably are, but regardless.
Funny, since the Sedins went back to Sweden in their D+1. Looks like we agree.Lol!
Those Sedins, what might have been if only they'd been left to marinate longer. Yes, off you go.
It only goes against his philosophy (which I don't think really is his philosophy tbh) if Leo's not ready to continue his development here. People are ruling that out sight unseen.
Not necessarily. If he's ready, he's ready. No sense in shipping him off to Europe if that's the case.I know the thread is about the question should not will, but for expectations to be realistic I think it bears mentioning that Verbeek's been quoted, several times, saying he wants prospects to take it slow developing into the players they can be. Bringing Leo in immediately would be going against that philosophy quite flagrantly.
Obviously that, too, begs the question of whether top 3 overall picks are a different kind of prospect, and in many ways they probably are, but regardless.
I'm not trying to get you in anything, I'm pointing out that to the extent your argument isn't empty of content beyond basic truisms (all players are different), it's nonsense. That's not a basis for a conversation but that isn't my fault. You don't understand what cherrypicking is and you don't understand your own definition of what a "successful development path" is so you don't get why I used the Sedins, and guessed wrong.Funny, since the Sedins went back to Sweden in their D+1. Looks like we agree.
You're more focused on being right or trying to get me in a gotcha then having a conversation.
Thank you for pointing out that there is a difference between what a GM says and what he does. I've been arguing since mid-Murray that when a GM says something, isn't doesn't mean he's going to do it. Much of media PR is spin and posturing.Lol!
Those Sedins, what might have been if only they'd been left to marinate longer. Yes, off you go.
It only goes against his philosophy (which I don't think really is his philosophy tbh) if Leo's not ready to continue his development here. People are ruling that out sight unseen.
I understand what you're saying but I think this is different, I think in this case people are just overemphasizing what he said as if he was articulating a bedrock philosophy whereas I think he was just stating a preference, which is probably every GM's preference. That's not really spin or posturing.Thank you for pointing out that there is a difference between what a GM says and what he does. I've been arguing since mid-Murray that when a GM says something, isn't doesn't mean he's going to do it. Much of media PR is spin and posturing.
Point taken. What I am saying (in general) is that fans telling everyone that this is what is going to happen because Generic GM said such and such is bogus. We really don't know yet what Verbeek is going to do with his prospects because he hasn't been on the job long enough to establish any kind of sample size. Preference is a good way to describe it, I think. No GM is going to say "I'm going to rush every prospect to the NHL because they are better than what this crappy roster has on it." So say something meaningless to not sound like an idiot.I understand what you're saying but I think this is different, I think in this case people are just overemphasizing what he said as if he was articulating a bedrock philosophy whereas I think he was just stating a preference, which is probably every GM's preference. That's not really spin or posturing.
I see what you're saying in this case. I've gone back and forth with you and others over the years about GMs lying and I recognize its relevance here, but I won't retreat from my position because I think it's important to hold people in authority accountable for lying. So to me, saying "meh, GMs spin things and lie all the time" shouldn't be true and largely isn't true. If your GM is a liar, that's a character issue, not a job hazard.Point taken. What I am saying (in general) is that fans telling everyone that this is what is going to happen because Generic GM said such and such is bogus. We really don't know yet what Verbeek is going to do with his prospects because he hasn't been on the job long enough to establish any kind of sample size. Preference is a good way to describe it, I think. No GM is going to say "I'm going to rush every prospect to the NHL because they are better than what this crappy roster has on it." So say something meaningless to not sound like an idiot.
If he’s going to Ducks training camp, not sure how he can go to the SHL, since their season starts in Sept.
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I think Lundy did that. It's definitely possible but just seems quite messy
Yeah, it can be done, but it would be a lot for the kid to do both. My gut tells me he will go pro next season, whether it's AHL or NHL not sure.