wgknestrick
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You’re joking on the STL part. Petro-Bouwmeester-Parayko trio destroys Carolina’s D.Vancouver back in the Naslund days,
Ottawa in the Heatley days,
San Jose in the Nabokob days,
Carolina and Toronto now...
Some great teams just never quite pull it off sometimes. There's more 'right place, right time' to all of this than many would like to admit. St.Louis looked like they were in a somewhat similar boat, and they pulled one off. I don't think their roster was necesarily any better than the Canes was/is.
The moneypuck model and the ‘o meter have the rangers as a cellar dweller the last 3 years.The more hockey I watch, the more I think puck luck is the #1 determiner in who wins the cup, as there are so many relatively even matchups that come down to who gets the bounce.
I think if you replay these past three NYR/CAR games 100 times there's as many times when Carolina's up 3-0 as there is New York. They've all been one goal games, with two overtime games, where absolutely anything can happen.
Money Puck's Deserve-to-Win-O-Meter (which I think is in an interesting calculation) had Carolina as the better team for Games 1 and 3 for what that's worth.
OK. Straight up for PLDWe can trade you wish.com Aho. Price is cheap!!!!!!!
They would be up 3-0 right now.How much better would they be with trochek at 2c?
You’re joking on the STL part. Petro-Bouwmeester-Parayko trio destroys Carolina’s D.
I think Carolina is a textbook example of how difficult it is to make adjustments to a strong core.They just need to bite the bullet and commit to a window.
Imagine the Canes if they had Trocheck and Hamilton instead of Kotkaniemi and Burns. They need to retain Guentzel, but they won't.
Instead they'll continue to manage their assets and go for plays like Kuzy, Kotka, etc. and be continuously competitive but not getting over the hump.
Aho isn’t in 2019 ROR’s league. Tarasenko is a top 30 goal scorer in terms of goals per game in playoff history. I could go on but you get the point.It's almost as if a team is more than 3 players, but ok...
Yeah the 2019 Blues were an extremely good team that each passing year correctly makes look more dangerous. Look at the roster of players, and the successes they have gone on to have elsewhere. The 2019 Blues had supporting players like Robert Thomas, Vince Dunn and Ivan Barbashev. Their rookie goalie turned out to be the franchise goalie for its history. Their captain became the only player to lead two different franchises in ice time to the Cup and he did it on first time clubs. You had guys like Alex Steen on the 4th line. Perron, Tarasenko, ROR, Schwartz, prime Schenn, prime Maroon factor. Tyler Bozak was on the third line and played a great swan song. The guys on the 2019 roster played a shit ton of NHL games in long careers.It's almost as if a team is more than 3 players, but ok...
I agree to an extent. There is no guarantee to any move, but Carolina is simply risk averse.I think Carolina is a textbook example of how difficult it is to make adjustments to a strong core.
Going back before Torcheck and Hamilton--imagine if the Canes hadn't "sent a message" with Hanifin and Lindholm. If the Canes had done basically nothing (except move Skinner who seemingly wanted out), then this could be the current team:
Svech -- Aho--Teravainen
xxx -- Lindholm -- Necas
Loustarinen -- Staal -- Roy
Foegele -- xxx -- Lorentz
Hanifin -- Pesce
Slavin -- Faulk
Bean -- TVR
Of course, that team likely isn't cap-compliant. And as @DaveG pointed out doesn't have a true PP1 quarterback. But my point is taking a really good group of players and improving them significantly is difficult.
I see a lot of talk here, on tv, in podcasts, about the canes pp failing. I love it.
Keep failing to credit a pk that is currently on a historic heater. Keep feeding the chips on their shoulders.
I love it.
MoneyPuck likes us this year a lot more than last.The moneypuck model and the ‘o meter have the rangers as a cellar dweller the last 3 years.
There are models out there that pick up on what makes the rangers tick and rate them closer to their standings performance, but surely those models have different flaws and we like them because they like our team.
Yeah the 2019 Blues were an extremely good team that each passing year correctly makes look more dangerous. Look at the roster of players, and the successes they have gone on to have elsewhere. The 2019 Blues had supporting players like Robert Thomas, Vince Dunn and Ivan Barbashev. Their rookie goalie turned out to be the franchise goalie for its history. Their captain became the only player to lead two different franchises in ice time to the Cup and he did it on first time clubs. You had guys like Alex Steen on the 4th line. Perron, Tarasenko, ROR, Schwartz, prime Schenn, prime Maroon factor. Tyler Bozak was on the third line and played a great swan song. The guys on the 2019 roster played a shit ton of NHL games in long careers.
The whole narrative about the Blues that year is wrong because hockey journalists are like high school level sophomore caliber writers and they couldn't resist the false "dead last" thing (.457 has never been 'dead last' in the NHL nor will it ever be, and indeed there were six significantly worse percentages on that day but we're too stupid in hockey world unlike the other major sports to grasp percentage versus raw points, it is Gorilla Time up in these brains). The Blues were preseason Cup favorites that year after the whole 2010s decade of being the West's top regular season team in wins.
The current Canes team is worse than the Blues were. That's why we're disagreeing.Official 2018-19 pre-season betting odds for the Blues:
+3000 (T-11th)
O/U 97.5pts (Finished with 99)
For reference, that's about the same odds as the Bruins and Blues got for 2023-24.
Canes this year:
+900 (T-1st)
O/U: 106.5pts (Finished with 111)
All I said is the current Canes team is no worse than the Blues were, and that plenty of great rosters haven't won anything. I never 'put down' the Blues. I just used them as an example as a team that was good, and we able to put everything together at the right time (in reference to the Canes not doing so).
I said the same thing after Jeffrey Epstein “died”no need to host funerals for those that aren't dead