TheGreenTBer
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5 classless underwear bloodstainsHad some burritos the other night and maybe had the greatest #2 go down in history.
5 classless underwear bloodstainsHad some burritos the other night and maybe had the greatest #2 go down in history.
I find this to be a very hyperbolic statement. Draisaitl is poor defensively mostly due to poor back checking and lost coverage when the other team has the puck. This is an attention to detail thing, and something he has improved significantly this year. When he has the puck he can be counted on to get it out of the zone with regularity.I think I speak for most Oiler fans when I say that we love Leon dearly, and I for one love to pieces his one-timers from the bottom of the circle.
It also has to be said that my heart skips a beat every single time he has the puck on his stick inside the Oilers' defensive zone. There is something weirdly lackadaisical about Draisaitl's effort in moving the puck out of his own zone.
If he's making a great stretch pass to someone in the clear, then, yes, he's amazing. But when he has to hold the puck a few seconds and make a simple play up the boards to get it out... he never does. Invariably, he tries drop-passes, behind the back passes, three-foot passes to a teammate right in front of the net (who often doesn't see the pass coming), or passes that are easily picked off by the opposition.
And you didn't give any argument other than new>old.Most people now haven't seen Mikita play much, so there's a general lack of knowledge about his game, his reputation being based on his four scoring titles.
Mikita was a very good and skilled player but he was not in the same class as guys like MacKinnon, Kucherov, or Matthews today, or players like Malkin, Forsberg or Fedorov.
The overrating of Mikita stems from the general lack of talent in the League during his era. His skills made him fairly unique during the '60s, and that's why he was a big scorer. But skilled players like him became more common, especially by the 1980s.
Mikita wouldn't win any scoring titles if he were a decade younger, or any time subsequent to that.
It has nothing to do with new being better than old. I wouldn't even consider Mikita to be very "old"; I watched him play when I was young.And you didn't give any argument other than new>old.
Your argument has everything to do with new being better than old when you try to state as fact (which you can't) that Mikita wouldn't have won a scoring title if he were born ten years later. You're also reaching when you talk about him not making the best team in the world past his prime as evidence that he wasn't as good.It has nothing to do with new being better than old. I wouldn't even consider Mikita to be very "old"; I watched him play when I was young.
But he wasn't as good as players like MacKinnon, Kucherov, Malkin, Sakic, Forsberg. In fact, he wasn't even close to these players.
As an example, Mikita couldn't make Team Canada in his early and mid-thirties (he was invited in '72 as a replacement for Derek Sanderson); and he would've been in tough to do so at C even in the 1960s, with Beliveau, Keon, Richard, Delvecchio, Ullman.
Why do you think Mikita was a better player than MacKinnon, Malkin, Kucherov?
(He wasn't).
that seem to cut an important part, when he say player before him were better:Your argument has everything to do with new being better than old when you try to state as fact (which you can't) that Mikita wouldn't have won a scoring title if he were born ten years later. You're also reaching when you talk about him not making the best team in the world past his prime as evidence that he wasn't as good.
Mikita wouldn't win any scoring titles if he were a decade younger, or any time subsequent to that.
Well, it's just compounded when you add the subsequent part to it. I suspect that the closer we theoretically move Mikita to the current day, the worse he'd expect him to fare.that seem to cut an important part, when he say player before him were better:
FYI: Fastest players to 100 playoff pointsApparently his 60 games to reach 100 pts in the playoff was the third fastest of all time, behind the 2 suspects (46 and 50 games for those).
Overtaking Fedorov seems inevitable at this point. If he's not already there.Nothing he will never be the greatest #2
Messier
Forsberg
Malkin
Fedorov
All had more success than he did.
And Drai's career should not be talked about in the past tense.Nothing he will never be the greatest #2
Messier
Forsberg
Malkin
Fedorov
All had more success than he did.
Agree, the guy going on the conference final again, scoring at we are numb to it now but absolutely crazy 24 pts in 12 games rate, 28 years old but did not start playing big minute at 19 with long playoff right away at all, with Covid, etc... not that high of mileage on him, medicine for millionaires and sport science keep evolving and athlete seem to age quite well.And Drai's career should not be talked about in the past tense.
The years Messier played with Gretzky are the ones to compare to Drai and I think Drai is pretty close to that player. When Gretzky got traded Messier became a number 1 so I wouldn't compare from that point on. I think Draisaitl is close to all the players you listed as a number 2, but he is not close to Messier as a player if that makes sense? What makes Drai so special is how he has been able to consistently preform at an top 5 in the world level and several times outperform his teams best player over a very long period while staying healthy. Here are their top 10 scoring finishes:Nothing he will never be the greatest #2
Messier
Forsberg
Malkin
Fedorov
All had more success than he did.
The 68-69 has been outlined by another guy in the past here as Phil loaded up with lines of 4-2-6 in a 10-0 win and then a line of 1-2- in another 7-0 home win then had a single goal in the next 2 road games against the Leafs.Just in the playoffs he's got a lot of ground to cover to catch Esposito.
From 69 to 73:
33-46-79 in 46 games
3x led the playoffs in points
3x led the playoffs in goals
2x led the playoffs in assists
1969: 8-10-18 in 10 games, leading the league in all 3 categories without getting past the Conference Finals
1970: 13-14-27 in 14 games, leading the league in all 3 categories and winning the Cup
1971: 3-7-10 in 7 games on the wrong side of the upset
1971: 9-15-24 in 15 games, leading in points and goals and winning the Cup
Well, we know you don't watch his games.Win another Ross, or start making an effort in the D zone, to even enter the discussion I would think.