TV: Survivor 46

[Peasy]

Man its crazy how much I was hating this season during the whole Bhanu show and to see what its turned into. Never would have thought it.

Q is great. I'll watch any show that hes on. At the end of the day he understands the assignment of being on TV. We want to be entertained, and he wants to give that to us. That is extremely rare in Survivor casting recently.

Maria is just so unlikeable lmao. Please go home next. Charlie's in a good spot now with Maria winning. I assume everyone left in the game will want her out over him so he just has to make sure she doesnt win immunity. He seems like a guy that comes prepared so I'm gunna assume hes decent at fire.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

I laughed when Jeff said good dive to Q, and he didn't seem sarcastic.

I have a feeling Q is probably Jeff's favorite player of the New Era, if he wants we are likely to see him again.

Did I think Q was great at Survivor, no. But, he was absolutely a unique character that the New Era has lacked. Even going through the 30s they lacked personalities like him. Love em or Hate em, Q and Carolyn are probably the most unique casting finds of the New Era. They aren't players who you are indifferent too. One way or the other, you are going to have an opinion on them if you watch the show.

I caught that too and laughed my ass off.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I laughed when Jeff said good dive to Q, and he didn't seem sarcastic.

I have a feeling Q is probably Jeff's favorite player of the New Era, if he wants we are likely to see him again.

Did I think Q was great at Survivor, no. But, he was absolutely a unique character that the New Era has lacked. Even going through the 30s they lacked personalities like him. Love em or Hate em, Q and Carolyn are probably the most unique casting finds of the New Era. They aren't players who you are indifferent too. One way or the other, you are going to have an opinion on them if you watch the show.

I remarked on Q's horrible dive the first time and was cracking up when Jeff commented on it.

Though I didn't mind her particularly, I don't think Carolyn was a unique casting at all. She falls pretty neatly into the "Crazy Lady" archetype. Noura, Kendra, Trisha, Debbie, J'Tia. My least favorite type of Survivor archetype.

 

[Peasy]

I liked Carolyn during her season, but her post season antics have made my stocks on her go completely down and I'd be fine with never seeing her again. Same with Carson.

 

[93LEAFS]

I remarked on Q's horrible dive the first time and was cracking up when Jeff commented on it.

Though I didn't mind her particularly, I don't think Carolyn was a unique casting at all. She falls pretty neatly into the "Crazy Lady" archetype. Noura, Kendra, Trisha, Debbie, J'Tia. My least favorite type of Survivor archetype.

True, I think Carolyn is the best version of that.

My personal least favorite archetype is the Challenge beast with limited personality at best, Ozzy and Joe Anglim are the prime example of this. Not that every male who is great at challenges is boring, there have been great ones like JT and Tyson.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I liked Carolyn during her season, but her post season antics have made my stocks on her go completely down and I'd be fine with never seeing her again. Same with Carson.

True, I think Carolyn is the best version of that.

My personal least favorite archetype is the Challenge beast with limited personality at best, Ozzy and Joe Anglim are the prime example of this. Not that every male who is great at challenges is boring, there have been great ones like JT and Tyson.

My wife's friend paid for her to get a Cameo from Carolyn lol, it was pretty funny.

Agreed about the Challenge beasts as well. Great to see people dominate challenges, but their personality is just non-existent. And in Joe and Ozzy's cases at least they are lunatics outside the game lol

 

[93LEAFS]

My wife's friend paid for her to get a Cameo from Carolyn lol, it was pretty funny.

Agreed about the Challenge beasts as well. Great to see people dominate challenges, but their personality is just non-existent. And in Joe and Ozzy's cases at least they are lunatics outside the game lol

I can see why they didn't properly highlight Joe Anglim's personality. Although, he wasn't full Q-Anon during his run on the show, but probably held some crazy views (I know the EOE story about him rapping/using a slur).

Ozzy is either my least or 2nd least favorite of the 4 time players (I'm not a big Rupert fan either, interesting personality, but I find him way too self-righteous) and Joe would be near the very bottom of 3 time players for me.

 

[These Are The Days]

My wife's friend paid for her to get a Cameo from Carolyn lol, it was pretty funny.

Agreed about the Challenge beasts as well. Great to see people dominate challenges, but their personality is just non-existent. And in Joe and Ozzy's cases at least they are lunatics outside the game lol

Lest we forget Mike "Put that back we have Colby Donaldson at home" Holloway. I respected the amount of hustle he had but he was like one of those annoying tongue ulcers

Also the Q memes are dead. I am devastated

 

[93LEAFS]

Lest we forget Mike "Put that back we have Colby Donaldson at home" Holloway. I respected the amount of hustle he had but he was like one of those annoying tongue ulcers

Also the Q memes are dead. I am devastated

I actually found Mike Holloway a bit more interesting than the other two. He was at least more aware of his position in the game, and wasn'ever gonna be blindsided. Like, if he lacked physical skills, he'd be a better player than Joe and Ozzy if they weren't comp beasts. Like him eating a scorpion day one for the experience is probably more interesting than anything non-challenge related Ozzy and Joe did in 7 combined seasons. While not a challenge beast (just an idol hound), I would have loved to see Mike Holloway on Winners at War over Ben (outside Chris Underwood, probably the winner whose game I respect the least).

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I felt like Charlie just proved why he’s a superior player to Maria in that episode. She wanted him out. She only had to convince the secondary characters of the plan. They instead liked his plan better and now she’s probably at the bottom for the next vote.

 

[SensBrawler]

I felt like Charlie just proved why he’s a superior player to Maria in that episode. She wanted him out. She only had to convince the secondary characters of the plan. They instead liked his plan better and now she’s probably at the bottom for the next vote.

While I agree that Charlie is superior to Maria, I think you're giving him too much credit for that vote. Kenzie's been trying to get rid of Q since the Tiffany boot ep. I don't think he did anything to convince her. Liz hates Q. I don't think any convincing was needed there either.

If anything, I think Charlie should be thanking Kenzie and Liz for managing to fool Maria and Q. He straight up told Maria who he was targeting. If they weren't convincing enough, Maria probably would have warned Q and Charlie would have gone home.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

While I agree that Charlie is superior to Maria, I think you're giving him too much credit for that vote. Kenzie's been trying to get rid of Q since the Tiffany boot ep. I don't think he did anything to convince her. Liz hates Q. I don't think any convincing was needed there either.

But Charlie is clearly the much bigger threat than Q. Us watching the game at home would say that getting Charlie out should be the priority. That he has lowered his threat level when he's actually like the best player out there shows he's doing a good job.

So either they are just very stupid for getting out the guy that can't win or Charlie has done a good job of hood winking them into doing what wasn't in their best interest.

 

[hoglund]

I hope that Charlie wins, but I think that Marie will win because usually the most deserving don't win.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I hope that Charlie wins, but I think that Marie will win because usually the most deserving don't win.

I have this sinking feeling that Maria is going out at 5, and Charlie is going to be in the exact same position as Jesse from 43ish? Easily the winner if he can get through fire, but likely going to be tossed into fire with whomever is the best at it as the other 3 need him to lose to have any chance. And will probably lose at fire leaving us with the very underwhelming final 3 of Kenzie, Ben, and Liz. I'd wager it's a Kenzie win from there, with Ben's "vibes" maybe garnering a few votes. Liz can try to sell her struggles, but honestly she did nothing at all game wise so I don't see how a modern jury gives her the win.

 

[Peasy]

Yeah I think Kenzie wins. If you think about new era players/edits, Charlie is getting the Jesse/Carson/Omar/Ricard edit. The big game player throughout the entire season and looks like the clear winner but gets taken out right at the end.

Kenzie edit really lines up with the new era winners.

Hope im wrong though.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

I have this sinking feeling that Maria is going out at 5, and Charlie is going to be in the exact same position as Jesse from 43ish? Easily the winner if he can get through fire, but likely going to be tossed into fire with whomever is the best at it as the other 3 need him to lose to have any chance. And will probably lose at fire leaving us with the very underwhelming final 3 of Kenzie, Ben, and Liz. I'd wager it's a Kenzie win from there, with Ben's "vibes" maybe garnering a few votes. Liz can try to sell her struggles, but honestly she did nothing at all game wise so I don't see how a modern jury gives her the win.

I dunno, Charlie seems pretty well prepared, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a firemaking kit and practiced it a lot before coming out.

Kenzie has been getting a great edit all season, so if it's not Charlie I think it'll be Kenzie.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

Rooting for Charlie first, Kenzie second. That is all.

 

[Satans Hockey]

Felt like Charlie stumbled a bit during final tribal and it cost him. Kenzie didn't bother me so fine with her winning.

Maria not voting for Charlie after Liz and Kenzie literally cheated to beat her is a joke. Speaking of that, why is that even allowed? I wasn't even rooting for Maria and I was pissed off for her.

Liz yelling and crying when she got eliminated that she would have beat everyone was hilarious. What a delusional annoying human being she was. Hope to never see her again.

The first half of this season sucked but post merge it was the best one in years. I still think they need a new location and to go back to 2 tribes and back to the final 2 instead of 3.

 

[SensBrawler]

I think Kenzie or Charlie is the winner at this point - leaning Kenzie. That scene in the previous episode where she helped Ben through his panic attack stood out like a sore thumb. They focused a hell of a lot more on her than they did Ben, despite the fact that he was the one that was actually having a panic attack.

Had to go digging for this one. As soon as they revisited Kenzie helping Ben with his panic attack in last week's episode I kinda figured she was winning.

Kenzie winning will obviously be controversial, but I'm happy with it. She was a fun, likeable character and I think the edit actually did a pretty good job of showing her social game (unlike some other social winners). Charlie seems like a nice guy and he played a very solid middle of the road game, but he bored me. I get that people like strategy, but I'll never understand the obsession with gamebots.

Overall, this season was a beautiful disaster. So messy, but probably the funniest season in a long time. I still can't believe all of Venus, Q and Liz made it to the final several.

Also, production really needs to delay the aftershow for at least 24 hours or something. It's hard to watch the losing finalists. Give everyone some time to process.

 

[93LEAFS]

Kenzie's win and 90 minute episodes did the best job at explaining why players like Michele, Natalie W, Sandra x2 and Gabler won.

At the end of the day, the game is about being the most liked person at FTC, with some element of being respected (so if you are liked but not respected you have no chance). The jury will vote based on that, then give you some justification. But, who they are voting for come before the justification generally.

Felt terrible for Charlie. But, I will say, going into the 90 minute episodes, I did really want a primarily social player to win at some point, so people could understand they don't only win because of a bitter jury. They win for a ton of tiny moments that aren't worthwhile to make the edit, but are worthwhile to the people voting.

Felt really bad for Charlie in the after show though. Seems like a good guy, and he played the better game on paper. But, Kenzie made people want to reward her, which is the art of winning the game. People liked Charlie, and I'm sure respected him, but they left wanting Kenzie to win. If Survivor was about pure resume and a checklist, then Russell Hantz would have 2 titles. But, while too complex to explain in an edit show, it is truly about how you make people feel who you have voted out.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Liz is one miserable woman. Maybe I read too much into her outback rant, but she made it seem like her daughter visits once a week. Imagine a millionaire woman not winning custody. She must be loony.

 

[LadyJet26]

I was happy with who won. Liz is a horrible person. I played the best game! What game? Not eating and bitching about it?!

 

[Rodgerwilco]

It's a bit of a bummer that ultimately the game in the end doesn't come down to "Outwit", "Outplay", "Outlast" and more comes down to who the people want to give the money.

I think Maria was very bitter about how everything went down and decided not to vote for Charlie. Really sad that his #1 through the entire game gave her vote to someone else.


Also, how bat-shit is Liz??? At first she talking about how she's the winner in her confessionals, but I never expected her to actually say out loud that she would have beaten any one of them. I'm so glad they showed the entire jury when she said that to show how much everyone laughed. I doubt a single person was considering voting for Liz. And then for her to shit on Kenzie's moment with snarky comments and literally saying "Boooo".

I'm sure that she's on a list of people they want to bring back just based on her sheer craziness.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Felt like Charlie stumbled a bit during final tribal and it cost him. Kenzie didn't bother me so fine with her winning.

Maria not voting for Charlie after Liz and Kenzie literally cheated to beat her is a joke. Speaking of that, why is that even allowed? I wasn't even rooting for Maria and I was pissed off for her.

Liz yelling and crying when she got eliminated that she would have beat everyone was hilarious. What a delusional annoying human being she was. Hope to never see her again.

The first half of this season sucked but post merge it was the best one in years. I still think they need a new location and to go back to 2 tribes and back to the final 2 instead of 3.

Yep, Charlie didn't seem to really sell himself very well. Liz helping Maria was absurd, and I agree that it really shouldn't be allowed.

Liz crying was incredible, I was dying of laughter. I will not be surprised if we get her back. You know if she gets another time to play her entire story is all going to be about how she deserved to win her 1st time and she's going to beat all these other people. She's a casting director's dream, delusional, emotional, rude, and easy to dislike.

 

[93LEAFS]

It's a bit of a bummer that ultimately the game in the end doesn't come down to "Outwit", "Outplay", "Outlast" and more comes down to who the people want to give the money.

I think Maria was very bitter about how everything went down and decided not to vote for Charlie. Really sad that his #1 through the entire game gave her vote to someone else.


Also, how bat-shit is Liz??? At first she talking about how she's the winner in her confessionals, but I never expected her to actually say out loud that she would have beaten any one of them. I'm so glad they showed the entire jury when she said that to show how much everyone laughed. I doubt a single person was considering voting for Liz. And then for her to shit on Kenzie's moment with snarky comments and literally saying "Boooo".

I'm sure that she's on a list of people they want to bring back just based on her sheer craziness.

Personally, I think the jury deciding based on who they like and respect is truly the art of the game, and what makes it intriguing. I feel if everytime they voted based on a checklist, the show would lose its intrigue. As stated, I feel terrible for Charlie, as I do think he would have been a deserving winner. But, the game is truly about how you make people feel, and 1000s of tiny moments, not about the criteria Survivor constantly references. I don't think Charlie did anyone wrong. I think the only bitter vote may have been Maria.

As for Liz, I will give Kenzie credit for the fact Liz wanted her to win to the extent she essentially gave up her chances. Although, the most interesting question related to that is, I didn't think you could physically help someone else in a challenge, so if Liz stayed and counted puzzle pieces that would be fine, but her going back and getting the plank for Kenzie is questionable.