Salary Cap: Red Wings 2014-15 season (Cap estimates)

[Zetterberg4Captain]

1. if we can buyout tootoo then its 100% guarntee that we will
2. trade helm, kindl, a prospect and a pick for edler
3. bring back alffie but only at no more then 4 million
4. resign legwand
5. i think we will lose ferraro on waivers
6. centre depth and a good defence is all we need to focus on



CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Tomas Tatar ($2.100m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($3.750m)
Tomas Jurco ($0.709m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.975m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m)
Luke Glendening ($0.850m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Mitchell Callahan ($0.605m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Alexander Edler ($5.000m) / Danny DeKeyser ($2.950m)
Brendan Smith ($1.263m) / Alexei Marchenko ($0.667m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Petr Mrazek ($0.595m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
BURIED
Jordin Tootoo ($0.975m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,225,379; BONUSES: $535,833
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $3,874,621

 

[detredWINgs]

Re-signing Quincey on the basis of him playing well in the past 20 games and ignoring how poorly he's played in the prior 100 games is a recipe for disaster. Also, calling him a "defensive defenseman" just because that's the role he's being asked to play doesn't make him a solid defensive defenseman. In reality, he's a two-way defenseman who is average or below average in nearly every relevant facet of the game. He's the mirror image of Kindl - our alleged "offensive defenseman" who currently sits 5th in scoring among our defenseman.

At the very worst, I'd like to see Quincey upgraded with someone who may be just as average as Quincey, but who provides a little something extra - namely, shot-blocking and hitting. Personally, I'd like to see him switched out in favor of Orpik assuming he hits free agency.

 

[odin1981]

Re-signing Quincey on the basis of him playing well in the past 20 games and ignoring how poorly he's played in the prior 100 games is a recipe for disaster. Also, calling him a "defensive defenseman" just because that's the role he's being asked to play doesn't make him a solid defensive defenseman. In reality, he's a two-way defenseman who is average or below average in nearly every relevant facet of the game. He's the mirror image of Kindl - our alleged "offensive defenseman" who currently sits 5th in scoring among our defenseman.

At the very worst, I'd like to see Quincey upgraded with someone who may be just as average as Quincey, but who provides a little something extra - namely, shot-blocking and hitting. Personally, I'd like to see him switched out in favor of Orpik assuming he hits free agency.

You haven't watched orpik much lately have you? I'd rather keep kfq over him and I want kfq about as much as I want herpes. The ufa d this year isn't impressive. Our d is a work in progress. Much rather have marchenko and aa up on the roster next year than overpay for marginal talent.

And zetterberg4captain their is absolutely no way what you offered gets edler sorry man wake up (don't know how this comes off but it is not meant to be rude just honest).

 

[Run the Jewels]

For the life of me I cannot understand why Smith doesn't get PP ice time. He's averaging 0.10 mins/60 mins. Our only legit offensive d-man who gets PP ice time is Kronner and he's averaging 4.52 points/60 mins.

Danny DeKeyser generates more offense 5v4 than Kindl. So that pretty much tells you all you need to know about Kindl's offensive "skill".

Looking at our d-men 5v5 Smith generates the most points per 60 mins. Kindl is behind DeKeyser and Quincey. Broken record, but the facts don't lie.

Assuming we don't sign an UFA d-man and let Quincey walk we'd still have a solid top 4. The power play could improve by simply adding Smith and Almqvist to the 2nd PP unit.

 

[InjuredChoker]

yeah orpik is not the same player that the wings faced in the finals. he has history of stepping up his play in post-season though. but fwiw, most pens fans seem to want him gone. similar complaints as we have on quincey. i think he's actually said that he's saving himself for postseason or something like that.

i don't think player like oprik is a need anyway. i'd want a good puck mover or just go with the kids.

 

[PullHard]

Some pretty good looking rosters in this thread. You have to wonder what will happen with the defense, though. It is almost as if Holland looked around the league, saw the upcoming UFA class, saw the trade prices for guys like Edler, Ehrhoff, etc. and settled on getting the best two-way forward he could in Legwand, rather than keep adding on top of Jarnkrok + 2nd/3rd for a blueliner.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

You haven't watched orpik much lately have you? I'd rather keep kfq over him and I want kfq about as much as I want herpes. The ufa d this year isn't impressive. Our d is a work in progress. Much rather have marchenko and aa up on the roster next year than overpay for marginal talent.

And zetterberg4captain their is absolutely no way what you offered gets edler sorry man wake up (don't know how this comes off but it is not meant to be rude just honest).

I'm not sure. I think if were to offer one of Ouellet/Marchenko/Backman+Helm+ we might have a decent offer.

I still think that it's best for us to stay the course on defence & let the youth take on bigger roles, much like what our forwards have done this season. That being said adding a veteran presence on the 3rd pairing wouldn't be a bad thing.

I think we'll see a 2 year deal for a 2nd/3rd pairing dman which most of was will consider blocking the youth but Kenneh likes to have depth, especially on D.

If we assume around a 69M Cap a team like this isn't out of the picture:

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.250m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / David Legwand ($5.150m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.250m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.850m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m)
Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.750m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Adam Almquist ($0.650m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,633,712; BONUSES: $215,833
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $216,288

I think we'll see a lot of bridge deals this off season, the only player that may not get one is DeKeyser. I also think it's a given that we either buyout Tootoo or trade him away for a conditional pick of some kind, clearing his 1.9M off the books.

Our big FA acquisition is Mitchell, his deal is 2 years x 3.75M a season. He can still play the game at his age & he's a monster on the PK. He'd also be the perfect partner for Almqvist who has re-signed for 650k x 2. AA has taken over the #6 spot & the #PP QB after a dissapointing season from Kindl. DeKeyser opts to take the bridge deal which gives him less than what Subban/MDZ got but for his level of play is in the right area, both Subba/MDZ got 2.5M for 2 years.

Up front we re-sign both Alfie & Legwand. Alfie after having another 60 point season takes a 250k pay cut & re ups for 1 more season while Legwand after helping push the Wings to the playoffs re-signs for 3 years x 5.15M. Our RFAs all take bridge deals. Tatar gets 1.25M x 2 years, Sheahan 900k x 2, Ferraro & Callahan get 600K x 2 deals but Callahan is waived and unfortunately got claimed.

Lastly we sign the best FA backup on the market to a 1 year deal worth 1M.

Ideally we would be able to trade away Kindl, and maybe Weiss, retaining salary if there is a need. I doubt we'd get much back for either of them but clearing most of their salaries off the book would be important for the 15-16 offseason.

 

[Frk It]

I'm not sure. I think if were to offer one of Ouellet/Marchenko/Backman+Helm+ we might have a decent offer.

I still think that it's best for us to stay the course on defence & let the youth take on bigger roles, much like what our forwards have done this season.

I think we'll see a 2 year deal for a 2nd/3rd pairing dman which most of was will consider blocking the youth but Kenneh likes to have depth, especially on D.

If we assume around a 69M Cap a team like this isn't out of the picture:

FORWARDS
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.250m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / David Legwand ($5.150m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($1.250m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.850m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Drew Miller ($1.350m)
Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.733m) / Landon Ferraro ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.750m) / Brendan Smith ($1.263m)
Willie Mitchell ($3.500m) / Adam Almquist ($0.650m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
BUYOUTS
Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m)
Jordin Tootoo ($0.000m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,633,712; BONUSES: $215,833
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $216,288

I think we'll see a lot of bridge deals this off season, the only player that may not get one is DeKeyser. Our big FA acquisition is Mitchell, his deal is 2 years x 3.75M a season. He can still play the game at his age & he's a monster on the PK. He'd also be the perfect partner for Almqvist who has re-signed for 650k x 2. AA has taken over the #6 spot & the #PP QB after a dissapointing season from Kindl. DeKeyser opts to take the bridge deal which gives him less than what Subban/MDZ got but for his level of play is in the right area, both Subba/MDZ got 2.5M for 2 years.

I like this team a lot ^^^, a whole lot actually.

That third pairing might be able to balance itself out. Really want to get a guy like Matt Greene, Ron Hainsey, or Willie Mitchell for the PK + 3rd pair.

Plus that stability would let you pair them with a kid like Marchenko/Almquist/Ouellet. Never been a big Almquist guy, but maybe with a big vet he would be ok at ES.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

I like this team a lot ^^^, a whole lot actually.

That third pairing might be able to balance itself out. Really want to get a guy like Matt Greene, Ron Hainsey, or Willie Mitchell for the PK + 3rd pair.

Plus that stability would let you pair them with a kid like Marchenko/Almquist/Ouellet. Never been a big Almquist guy, but maybe with a big vet he would be ok at ES.

I think either of Hainsey/Mitchell would do the job when paired with AA. Greene I'm not really sure about. He's playing just over 12:30 of ES minutes a game in LA & he really doesn't scream steady defencman. Either way Hainsey/Mitchell should be able to help AA at ES so he can do his thing on the PP.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ouellet/Marchenko/Backman up but I feel like Holland would rather keep them in the AHL as callups & not lose Almqvist to waivers.

 

[PullHard]

Mitchell is the type of player I think we should go after, but he is turning 37 next month. Ideally we get a younger guy in that role, because it takes a huge toll on the body. I donno how many games Mitchell would be able to get in anymore. I wouldn't expect more than 55?

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

Mitchell is the type of player I think we should go after, but he is turning 37 next month. Ideally we get a younger guy in that role, because it takes a huge toll on the body. I donno how many games Mitchell would be able to get in anymore. I wouldn't expect more than 55?

He's missed 5 games this year, 48 last year due to knee surgery, & 6 the year before that. So I think expecting him to play 60-70 games would be reasonable. He's the best dman on the market this season, when looking at the FA market there aren't guys better than him available so age isn't too much of a factor.

 

[last_sd]

As far as defense goes, I actually think it's better to go for someone short term.
We got quite a bit of prospects that will want a spot in few years.
Ericsson, Kronwall locked up for long term, and Dekeyser probably will get few years as well.
Since younger FA won't settle for 1~2 year deal, we might have to look into 35+ players.

Timonen, Boyle, Zidlicky, Mitchell, Markov, Tallinder, Morris, etc.

I have to admit that I didn't watch all of them in detail this year so some of them might not be playing that well.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

As far as defense goes, I actually think it's better to go for someone short term.
We got quite a bit of prospects that will want a spot in few years.
Ericsson, Kronwall locked up for long term, and Dekeyser probably will get few years as well.
Since younger FA won't settle for 1~2 year deal, we might have to look into 35+ players.

Timonen, Boyle, Zidlicky, Mitchell, Markov, Tallinder, Morris, etc.

I have to admit that I didn't watch all of them in detail this year so some of them might not be playing that well.

Give me Zidlicky and Tallinder, and you have yourselves a pretty solid Top Pairing.

 

[Frk It]

Give me Zidlicky and Tallinder, and you have yourselves a pretty solid Top Pairing.

I think Kronwall and Ericsson make a better top pairing than Tallinder and Zidlicky.

I would definitely be in favor of adding Zidlicky this off-season though.

 

[SoupNazi]

Give me Zidlicky and Tallinder, and you have yourselves a pretty solid Top Pairing.

Better than Kronwall and Ericsson? Nope.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

Better than Kronwall and Ericsson? Nope.

You don't really have a good argument here. You've clearly not seen enough of Marek Zidlicky or Tallinder to make an objective analysis of the two. I on the other hand can make an objective analysis based on six years of recorded data, data which are based upon actual events that occurred in the past six years that had tremendous effects on games played, determined to be highly correlative to performance based on statistical analysis.

You're going to have to make a much more convincing argument than just a simple 'nope' and 'the eye test,' the latter of which statistics can claim to be theirs.

 

[InjuredChoker]

You don't really have a good argument here. You've clearly not seen enough of Marek Zidlicky or Tallinder to make an objective analysis of the two. I on the other hand can make an objective analysis based on six years of recorded data, data which are based upon actual events that occurred in the past six years that had tremendous effects on games played, determined to be highly correlative to performance based on statistical analysis.

You're going to have to make a much more convincing argument than just a simple 'nope' and 'the eye test,' the latter of which statistics can claim to be theirs.

has there been done that on SDI?

 

[SoupNazi]

You don't really have a good argument here. You've clearly not seen enough of Marek Zidlicky or Tallinder to make an objective analysis of the two.

I've actually seen enough of them to know that I prefer Kronwall and Ericsson to them. It's my opinion and personal preference; take it for what you want.

 

[snailderby]

Are we looking for a puck moving defenseman, a stay at home defenseman, a two-way defenseman, or none of the above?

 

[Frk It]

Are we looking for a puck moving defenseman, a stay at home defenseman, a two-way defenseman, or none of the above?

We could use any of the 3, as long as they are good. Have are a lot of variance in what people prefer though.

I would like a two way guy, that could play both the PP and PK ideally. Doubt we get that though. Probably going to have to get a specialist via free agency.

 

[JmanWingsFan]

has there been done that on SDI?

Yes. Steve Burtsch ran that analysis and showed it is more correlative than CA20 and TeamCA20.

I've actually seen enough of them to know that I prefer Kronwall and Ericsson to them. It's my opinion and personal preference; take it for what you want.

Yet you don't tell me how much. Your opinion doesn't mean anything when you tell me they aren't better than Kronwall and Ericsson. You aren't even explaining why. Since it's probable you watch more Red Wings hockey than Sabres/Devils hockey, I wouldn't be surprised if there's even bias in that opinion.

If you want to state your opinion, fine. Don't flaunt it as if it's better than statistics, please.

 

[SoupNazi]

If you want to state your opinion, fine. Don't flaunt it as if it's better than statistics, please.

Where have I done that?

And just for the record, I've watched ~20 Sabres games and ~15 Devils games.

 

[Lugaid]

Give me Zidlicky and Tallinder, and you have yourselves a pretty solid Top Pairing.

I like 'em both, but I feel that Tallinder is about even with Ericsson, and Kronwall is generally better than Zidlicky. It'd be an interesting pair to have for sure, but it'd meddle a lot with our defensive structure. It'd be nice to add one veteran d-man though, I'd love Zidlicky. A Rafalski-light.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Are we looking for a puck moving defenseman, a stay at home defenseman, a two-way defenseman, or none of the above?

It's pretty clear we need an offensive defenseman. I would go after Timonen or Boyle on a very short term deal or Markov on a 3-4 year deal. There isn't a rock solid top 2 guy available via free agency and we have plenty of data to show Holland will not pony up to acquire one via trade.

So bring in an offensive d-man to play alongside Dekeyser and slot Almqvist in as your #7 guy who can eventually take over Kindl's spot. That should hold us over until Jensen, Marchenko, Sproul, Ouellet and Backman are ready to rock.

I suspect Holland will not like the prices and we will strike out on all these guys. In that case bring up Almqvist and let the top prospects fight it out for one roster spot in Detroit. Babcock loves competition and while the thought of a guy on an ELC playing in Detroit makes Holland's sphincter go ape **** there is plenty of data to suggest we have talent on defense that can step up the way our forward prospects have this season.

 

[Kronwalled55]

Dan Boyle just seems your typical Ken Holland signing.

Kind of like when I heard that David Legwand was available... You just knew it.