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The KHL has now 24 sides.well look at khl, they have 30 teams.
i think shl with 18 teams would be nice, 14 swedish teams 2 norweigan 2 danmark
The KHL has now 24 sides.well look at khl, they have 30 teams.
i think shl with 18 teams would be nice, 14 swedish teams 2 norweigan 2 danmark
As I said, if there was interest for it outside of Sweden, I could entertain the idea of expanding the SHL qualifiers and enter the leaders/champions of GET, Metal and Mestis into the mix with the top Hockeyallsvenskan teams that year, and have a playoffs for two SHL berths (maybe expand the SHL to have 16 teams when we’re at it).
well look at khl, they have 30 teams.
i think shl with 18 teams would be nice, 14 swedish teams 2 norweigan 2 danmark
Must be better to have the teams from Get and Danish series together, about 35 teams?
Is so boring when i did see my local team Nidaros only play about 40 games that to little.
How can it be to many? SHL 14 teams + Fjordkraftligaen 10 teams and Metal ligaen 9 teams; 33 teams is a good balance.thats too many teams. there is not enough danish and norweigan teams good enough to play in the shl
At the moment there is not nearly enough money in Danish hockey to make a team for the SHL. The average budget for a Metalligaen team is around 1 million EUR, to make a competitive team for the SHL you will probably need 3-4 times more than that. The same is true for most of the Norwegian teams as well.
How can it be to many? SHL 14 teams + Fjordkraftligaen 10 teams and Metal ligaen 9 teams; 33 teams is a good balance.
Interesting topic to stumble across, as I enjoy the business side of sports. Reading through a permanent league doesn't seem like a great idea due to the budget differences of clubs. It would make most teams from Norway and Denmark uncompetitive or even worse, left behind in a less relevant league. It reminds me of when the English Premier League invited the top Scottish football clubs to join.
I would be curious if there are companies that span the Nordic countries that would sponsor a tournament instead. I know there is already the European CHL, but if there was a Nordic Cup with group stage and playoffs that would pull in teams from the top league or two from each Country?
Teams | Arena | Population (metro) | ||
1 | Stockholm | Djurgardens | 13,850 | 2,392,000 |
2 | Gothenberg | Frolunda | 12,044 | 1,048,000 |
3 | Malmo | Red Hawks | 12,600 | 730,000 |
4 | Uppsala | Almtuna IS | -10,000 | 295,000 |
5 | Linkoping | HC | 8,500 | 207,000 |
6 | Stockholm | AIK | 8,094 | 2,392,000 |
7 | Karlstad | Farjestad BK | 8,646 | 180,000 |
8 | Helsinki | Jokerit | 13,349 | 1,671,000 |
9 | Tampere | Ilves | 13,455 | 448,000 |
10 | Turku | TPS | 11,820 | 362,000 |
11 | Helsinki | HIFK | -10,000 | 1,671,000 |
12 | Riga | Dinamo | 10,300 | 1,100,000 |
13 | Copenhagen | 12,500 | 2,057,000 | |
14 | Oslo | Gruner | -12,000 | 1,600,000 |
Teams | Arena | Population (metro) | ||
1 | Gavle | Brynas IF | 7,909 | 184,000 |
2 | Orebro | HK | 5,316 | 208,000 |
3 | Jonkoping | HV71 | 7,000 | 171,000 |
4 | Vasteras | IK | 4,902 | 200,000 |
5 | Vaxjo | Lakers | 5,700 | 156,000 |
6 | Angelholm | Rogle BK | 5,150 | 143,000 |
7 | Timra | IK | 6,000 | 117,000 |
8 | Oulu | Karpat | 6,768 | 260,000 |
9 | Jyvaskyla | JYP | -7,000 | 185,000 |
10 | Kuopio | KalPa | 5,300 | 168,000 |
11 | Lahti | Pelicans | 5,371 | 191,000 |
12 | Kaunas | Hockey | 13,762 | 588,000 |
13 | Aalborg | Pirates | 5,200 | 217,000 |
14 | Stravanger | Oilers | 4,500 | 320,000 |
Teams | Arena | Population (metro) | ||
1 | Uema | IF Bjorkloven | 5,400 | 156,000 |
2 | Leksand | IF | 7,650 | 69,000 |
3 | Ornskoldsvik | Modo | 7,600 | 56,000 |
4 | Lulea | FH | 6,300 | 78,000 |
5 | Skelleftea | AIK | 6,001 | 73,000 |
6 | Sodertalje | SK | 6,200 | 99,000 |
7 | Pori | Assat | 6,300 | 137,000 |
8 | Espoo | Keikko | 6,982 | 1,671,000 |
9 | Kouvola | KooKoo | 6,200 | 61,000 |
10 | Hameenlinna | HPK | 5,360 | 67,000 |
11 | Lapreenranta | SaiPa | 4,820 | 73,000 |
12 | Tallin | HC Everest | 5,840 | 455,000 |
13 | Aarhus | 5,001 | 350,000 | |
14 | Bergen | IK | -8,320 | 420,000 |
I was trying to explain this a few years ago: There's nothing in it for at least Sweden.Well 42 teams would be too much and Norway/Denmark do not have the commercial base so they won’t really offer anything to Swedish hockey.
It’s all about TV money/team, and Sweden and Finland are really the only countries with big media rights.
From a business perspective Norway and Denmark are just tiny markets on par with HA if even that.
What kind of a motive would a resident of Copenhagen have to cheer for a team from Malmö, other than a relatively convenient distance? A situation in which there's a team actually based in Copenhagen might have different results, though. Especially so if the hockey team would be affiliated with the established brand of FC Copenhagen.Malmö has been trying to attract a Copenhagen audience for several periods of time back in the 90's, 00's and perhaps also in the 10's, but there was such a small interest that it was clearly not worth the aim. They tried though.
The "motive" was to have a lot of Danish players and thereby try to attract Danes from Copenhagen and they even hired a Danish PR guy at one point to try to work their way into the Copenhagen market.What kind of a motive would a resident of Copenhagen have to cheer for a team from Malmö, other than a relatively convenient distance?
You don't understand my "objection"? You mentioning FC Liverpool and Detroit Red Wings perfectly exemplifies it as they are just teams that you have ended up rooting for by chance. It would be a rather similar dynamic between Danes and a team based in Malmö, there's no particular reason to expect that they would amass a lot of Danish fans, just like there is no particular reason to expect that someone in let's say Sweden ends up rooting for FC Liverpool or Detroit Red Wings although even then they play in leagues which are far more marketable than the SHL.The "motive" was to have a lot of Danish players and thereby try to attract Danes from Copenhagen and they even hired a Danish PR guy at one point to try to work their way into the Copenhagen market.
I cheer FC Liverpool and Detroit Red Wings eventhough I don't live there and I'm not neither English or American so I don't understand your objection.
I don't understand your point at all. You seem to have your own agenda for whatever. So let me just state my point in a single bullet point: There's not enough people in Copenhagen interested in ice hockey to have a team in a Nordic League here. That's the simple point.You don't understand my "objection"? You mentioning FC Liverpool and Detroit Red Wings perfectly exemplifies it as they are just teams that you have ended up rooting for by chance. It would be a rather similar dynamic between Danes and a team based in Malmö, there's no particular reason to expect that they would amass a lot of Danish fans, just like there is no particular reason to expect that someone in let's say Sweden ends up rooting for FC Liverpool or Detroit Red Wings although even then they play in leagues which are far more marketable than the SHL.
Then that is a regrettable limitation of your reading comprehension. There not being enough people in Copenhagen interested in following an SHL team based in Malmö would be an accurate statement but we don't know what kind of a traction would a Copenhagen-based team have in a Nordic League. My guess is that it would be much more.I don't understand your point at all. You seem to have your own agenda for whatever. So let me just state my point in a single bullet point: There's not enough people in Copenhagen interested in ice hockey to have a team in a Nordic League here. That's the simple point.
A hypothetical Nordic hockey league would have mostly Swedish teams, a couple of Finnish teams and a few Norwegian teams, at least if you go by attendance stats. One could argue that Norway is too far behind Sweden and Finland toc compete but there are actually some Norwegian teams (Stavanger, Storhamar and Vålerenga) that would be competitive. Storhamar eliminated Djurgården in the CHL group stage and nearly got passed Skellefteå AIK in the play offs, so there's some good hockey in Norway. Commercially I'd say Stavanger and Vålerenga are two possible top teams in a future Nordic hockey league.
SHL: Swedish Hockey Liga
SML: SM-Liiga (Finland)
HA: HockeyAllsvenskan (Swedish second division)
GL: GET-ligaen (Norway)
ML: Metal Ligaen (Denmark)
If we look at social media then there's no Danish team in the top 50. The most popular non-Swedish/non-Finnish team is Stavanger Oilers, closely followed by Vålerenga. Storhamar is also doing better than some Swedish and Finnish top division teams.
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# Team Total Land 1 Frölunda 123,898 54 64,9 242,798 Sweden 2 Jokerit 92 39,5 62,5 194 Finland 3 Djurgården 118,136 25,7 42,3 186,136 Sweden 4 HIFK 84,6 41 45,7 171,3 Finland 5 Kärpät 103,3 19,7 46,2 169,2 Finland 6 Färjestad 78,360 16,1 40,7 135,16 Sweden 7 Brynäs 72,922 13,5 34,9 121,322 Sweden 8 HV71 62,831 15,8 38,8 117,431 Sweden 9 Tappara 63,3 17,6 35 115,9 Finland 10 Leksand 73,410 11,4 30,5 115,31 Sweden 11 Luleå 46,251 11,1 26,4 83,751 Sweden 12 TPS 41,3 15,7 22 79 Finland 13 Ilves 39,9 15,1 21,7 76,7 Finland 14 KalPa 44,6 10,9 18,3 73,8 Finland 15 JYP 44,3 6,3 22 72,6 Finland 16 Skellefteå 31,893 6,270 30,3 68,463 Sweden 17 Ässät 30,7 12,5 16 59,2 Finland 18 SaiPa 31,4 13,4 13 57,8 Finland 19 Växjö 21,151 9,576 22,5 53,227 Sweden 20 Modo 22,495 9,679 20,5 52,674 Sweden 21 Pelicans 25,8 12,3 13,6 51,7 Finland 22 Malmö 27,012 5,379 17 49,391 Sweden 23 Stavanger Oilers 27,9 7,1 13,7 48,7 Norway 24 Örebro 22,795 5,379 16,8 44,974 Sweden 25 Vålerenga 19,0 6,8 18,8 44,6 Norway 26 AIK 12,4885 11 19,4 42,8885 Sweden 27 Sport 20,9 8,5 13 42,4 Finland 28 Lukko 18,2 11,2 12,3 41,7 Finland 29 HPK 19,9 9,9 11,4 41,2 Finland 30 Linköping 16,269 7,760 17,1 41,129 Sweden 31 Storhamar 19 5,6 15,9 40,5 Norway 32 Rögle 19,358 2,281 15,2 36,839 Sweden 33 KooKoo 14,3 5,9 10,8 31 Finland 34 Jukurit 14,2 4,6 8,5 27,3 Finland 35 Timrå 13,474 4,435 9,259 27,168 Sweden 36 Björklöven 13,716 2,946 9,164 25,826 Sweden 37 Västerås 15,169 3,893 6,493 25,555 Sweden 38 Södertälje 14,969 3,475 6,047 24,491 Sweden 39 Karlskrona 8,595 4,261 5,945 18,801 Sweden 40 Karlskoga 10,041 3,085 5,505 18,631 Sweden 41 Mora 9,127 2,392 4,953 16,472 Sweden 42 Lillehammer 8,0 2,7 5,0 15,7 Norway 43 Vita hästen 11,308 2,338 1,628 15,274 Sweden 44 Frisk Asker 8,2 2,4 4,3 14,9 Norway 45 Sparta Warriors 7,7 1,1 4,6 13,4 Norway 46 Stjernen 6,8 1,6 2,8 11,2 Norway 47 Västervik 3,173 1,427 5,205 9,805 Sweden 48 Oskarshamn 3,549 2,312 3,932 9,793 Sweden 49 Almtuna 4,733 1,462 3,445 9,64 Sweden 50 Tingsryd 4,193 1,792 2,388 8,373 Sweden
Pretty confident to say if 2 teams from Denmark joined the SHL or Nordic elite league, the rest of the danish league would degrade into a full amateur league., but you can always play with the idea