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Mike Knuble aged terribly. Same with Tomas Holmstrom, Brendan Shanahan, etc.
I don't know why you think listing some exceptions disproves the overall rule.
Mike Knuble aged terribly. Same with Tomas Holmstrom, Brendan Shanahan, etc.
I suspect you've got exactly 0 evidence that it's an actual rule.I don't know why you think listing some exceptions disproves the overall rule.
I suspect you've got exactly 0 evidence that it's an actual rule.
It's established conventional wisdom, but I wonder if anyone has really looked at the numbers.Sure but only because there's no hard definitions on what a power forward is.
Are you fact checking every statement made on these boards? If you can't accept something as simple as players who are more physical get injured more often and have shorter careers as true, then I don't know what to tell you. Its not a particularly spicy take.
It's established conventional wisdom, but I wonder if anyone has really looked at the numbers.
Either way, shorter careers due to injury is one thing, and having worse aging curves in terms of ability is another. The latter is what I thought you were getting at in regard to Wilson (who's rarely, and I don't think ever seriously, been injured on the ice).
It's established conventional wisdom, but I wonder if anyone has really looked at the numbers.
Either way, shorter careers due to injury is one thing, and having worse aging curves in terms of ability is another. The latter is what I thought you were getting at in regard to Wilson (who's rarely, and I don't think ever seriously, been injured on the ice).
How often has conventional wisdom WRT sports actually held up to scrutiny over any extended length of time and study?
I didn't even mention some of the more notable outliers, like our own Captain. Give me an example of a physical player with a shortened career, and I'll give you an example of a finesse player with a shortened career.
That's not even remotely close to longstanding conventional wisdom. Decline in RB usage is a very recent development, and it came to replace the former conventional wisdom--that teams needed a workhorse back.running backs don’t have long careers....conventional wisdom.
Plenty of conventional wisdom holds up....
That's not even remotely close to longstanding conventional wisdom. Decline in RB usage is a very recent development, and it came to replace the former conventional wisdom--that teams needed a workhorse back.
Sure. I don't think you or any of us talking about this knows the overall answer, so your confidence here is a little strange to me. I'm sure if someone really did break it down and identify the most predictive factors, "power forward" wouldn't be a relevant way of sorting players anyway so much as more specific things like how and how often they tend to take hits, etc. would be.I didn't even mention some of the more notable outliers, like our own Captain. Give me an example of a physical player with a shortened career, and I'll give you an example of a finesse player with a shortened career.
Most of those guys were also pretty slow, even in their heyday.There are plenty of power forwards/gritty 2nd liners who fell of a cliff as they aged or became injured. Ryan Clowe, Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky, Scott Hartnell, Wayne Simmonds, Andrew Ladd, Kyle Okposo, etc. And those are just guys who spent time in the Metro Division...
I was going to say the same thing. Whether that quality of skating is the hallmark of a power forward is sort of up for debate I guess, but some of those guys weren't especially good skaters.Most of those guys were also pretty slow, even in their heyday.
Not all. But most.
I don’t think that was necessarily the power forward aspect alone. The new “modern”
NHL has moved away from those players. It’s obv happened w D-men, but we can’t ignore its impact on similar type players at forward.
Speed is the key, IMO (and what Wilson has...until he doesn’t).
Ahh, I see you aren't familiar with the legend of Hartnell DownThe guy who sticks out to me as probably the best skater among them, Hartnell,
If I'm Hall I'm looking at teams that are going to let me ride shotgun with a top line pivot, or a very high end second line center, especially if I'm taking a short term deal. Would have little interest in playing in Nashville with either Johansen or Duchene, both of whom are pretty underwhelming to me.Hall to NSH has been mentioned lately and it makes sense. Re-unites with Hynes, who he had a Hart season with.
One of the cool stories coming out of the draft. Another kid in Finland wa apparently playing a game when he found out.
Lincoln Stars (@lincolnstars) Tweeted:
The moment @Boltmann10 found out he was the newest member of the @NHLFlames ... #AllAboard https://t.co/UUYn2Iu0Kq
If I'm Hall I'm looking at teams that are going to let me ride shotgun with a top line pivot, or a very high end second line center, especially if I'm taking a short term deal. Would have little interest in playing in Nashville with either Johansen or Duchene, both of whom are pretty underwhelming to me.
Colorado, Montreal, New York Islanders, even Edmonton makes sense.
Fair points, I just don't like Johansen as a top line center.Doubt Hall goes back to Edmonton, for a variety of reasons on both sides.
While Ryan Johansen isn't elite, I do think you're underrating him. He's tied for 14th among all centers in assists over the past 5 years, ahead of Tavares, Thornton, and Eichel. He's a consistent playmaker, and would be the best center Hall has played with outside of the one season with McDavid. He's also better than anyone Montreal has and pretty similar to Barzal.