What’s more impressive? A defenseman on pace for 100 points or 75 goals from a forward? Aside from the fact that there’s two guys who might reach 130+ points.
My point was this is still Mack's to lose and he will be a finalist and probably winner if the season ended today.If McDavid ends up taking the Ross, especially if he puts some distance between him and Kuch I fully expect Kuch to not be a finalist. Don't think he has the narrative going for him.
Dunno as Hughes has dropped off and is pacing for 98 now.What’s more impressive? A defenseman on pace for 100 points or 75 goals from a forward? Aside from the fact that there’s two guys who might reach 130+ points.
Auston Matthews
What’s more impressive? A defenseman on pace for 100 points or 75 goals from a forward? Aside from the fact that there’s two guys who might reach 130+ points.
Josi came close two years ago too.Karlsson just scored 102 last season, two defensmen this year had/have the potential to do it, Makar was hurt but Hughes could still pull it off. 75 goals is more impressive to me.
What’s more impressive? A defenseman on pace for 100 points or 75 goals from a forward? Aside from the fact that there’s two guys who might reach 130+ points.
League scoring is up and somehow people try to use that as evidence against the guy scoring all the goals instead of the ones relying on secondary assists that come from everyone else scoring more.
We still pretending the Hart isn’t the Art Ross 2.0?
There’s also 3 of them scoring at the same pace and no one within a birds eye view of Matthews in goals.
McDavid has now tied Kucherov for 1st in points per game.
Should be a great finish to the scoring race indeed.
THIS.If matthews scores 70+ goals and 100+ points it has to be him right?
Those 3 are pacing for insane point totals, but McDavid literally had 153 points last year.
70+ goals hasnt happened in over 30 years.
It's kinda arbitrary if you want to make this argument since Selanne is one of the greatest goal scorers of all time while Nicholls and Kurri hit 70 & 71 with Gretzky feeding them the puck. There's nowhere near a Gretzky feeding Matthews. Mogilny meanwhile was a fantastic player who had some outlier seasons but again LaFontaine feeding him. However the 92-93 season is all kinds of whack from 84 game schedule to not only 2 horrific expansion teams but a pretty sizeable disparity with some bottom teams. It is the highest scoring season I think on record even beating out the 80s.100 assists hasnt happened since 1991. And something that only Gretzky, Lemieux, and Orr did is more impressive than something Nicholls, Kurri, Mogilny, and Selanne did.
How about the fact it's objectively harder to score goals than assist on a goal, 2nd assists are a thing, improved goaltending is a thing and there's still a percentage factor making goal scoring a less dependable consistency.I disagree. 11 of those 13 assist seasons came from one guy who broke the sport offensively. 100 assists is more impressive than 70 goals.
Because while he is 1st in goals out of the entire league he is tied for 100th in assists. Kucherov is 3rd in goals and tied for 2nd in assists, Mckinnon is 5th in goals and tied for 2nd in assists. McDavid is 40th in goals and 1st in assists. For MVP right now it has to be one of the guys who is top 5 in Goals, assists and points. That is Mackinnon or Kucherov
Matthews winning the Hart just 2 years ago with 60 goals and 106 points (17 off 1st and in 6th place)I don't see why that matters. Points > goals has always been a thing in hockey. Those 3 guys ahead of Matthews have a pretty big gap in points, it shouldn't matter if it's one or 5 guys, if the gap is big enough in points, he probably doesn't get the hart above them.
I do think Matthews has a shot at winning the hart - but he needs to reduce the point gap at the top and increase his goal levels to maximize his chances. If he ends with ~105 points and ~68 goals, he definitely isn't winning the hart if others are at ~130-140 points. If Matthews can get up to ~115 points, and ~75 goals, and others are at ~125-130 points? That's a hell of a case he'd have.
Matthews winning the Hart just 2 years ago with 60 goals and 106 points (17 off 1st and in 6th place)
Some precedents to consider before that though as well:
91-Hull over Gretzky (32 point gap)
11-Perry over Daniel Sedin (6 point gap but also over a 6% differential for that season meanwhile only +5 in goals over 2nd)
13-Ovechkin ran away with the Hart in a shortened season because St. Louis and Stamkos were on same team, since could easily take out McDavid
*I did not mention Fedorov 94 because he was 10 points behind a Gretzky who didn't get a single vote due to his team's record and therefore Fedorov had a massive advantage there.
God I hope this is you joking lol. 100 asssits is not even close to as good as 70 goalsI disagree. 11 of those 13 assist seasons came from one guy who broke the sport offensively. 100 assists is more impressive than 70 goals.
Yeah haha.Atm? Kucherov
End of the season? McDavid or Foegele
Why are people bringing up Matthews in a discussion about 3 other players?
It's weird.
From this set of players, the correct answer is McDavid.
Yes, it's an opinion, but it's also the objectively correct answer.
McDavid has consciously given up a portion of offensive production in order to be a more well rounded player and has helped change the fortunes of his team in doing so.
Yet he is still near the top of the league in points and offensive production, while being significantly lower in power play time on ice.
He plays the more difficult role of the 3 players (same as Mackinnon).
Personally, I don't think any of these 3 actually should win the Hart trophy, but between these 3, McDavid is the correct and obvious choice.
I don't see why that matters. Points > goals has always been a thing in hockey. Those 3 guys ahead of Matthews have a pretty big gap in points, it shouldn't matter if it's one or 5 guys, if the gap is big enough in points, he probably doesn't get the hart above them.
I do think Matthews has a shot at winning the hart - but he needs to reduce the point gap at the top and increase his goal levels to maximize his chances. If he ends with ~105 points and ~68 goals, he definitely isn't winning the hart if others are at ~130-140 points. If Matthews can get up to ~115 points, and ~75 goals, and others are at ~125-130 points? That's a hell of a case he'd have.
I'll say this for Matthews - he is shooting up the scorers chart. He's up to 6th in scoring now, so he's doing all the right things to make a run for the hart trophy. I think he definitely doesn't win if season ended today, but there's a good chance his case just keeps on getting stronger between now and April,.
Why are people bringing up Matthews in a discussion about 3 other players?
It's weird.
From this set of players, the correct answer is McDavid.
Yes, it's an opinion, but it's also the objectively correct answer.
McDavid has consciously given up a portion of offensive production in order to be a more well rounded player and has helped change the fortunes of his team in doing so.
Yet he is still near the top of the league in points and offensive production, while being significantly lower in power play time on ice.
He plays the more difficult role of the 3 players (same as Mackinnon).
Personally, I don't think any of these 3 actually should win the Hart trophy, but between these 3, McDavid is the correct and obvious choice.