CantLoseWithMatthews
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his argument wasn't even based on being the Blues best player. It was literally "this defenseman won the cup so defense must win cups"
his argument wasn't even based on being the Blues best player. It was literally "this defenseman won the cup so defense must win cups"
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you're condescendingly explaining this concept to Alex Pietrangelo on why he was able to lift the Stanley Cup last year.
"Alex, before you skate around the rink with that cup, I just want to let you know that Binnington and David Perron are why you're celebrating right now."
his argument wasn't even based on being the Blues best player. It was literally "this defenseman won the cup so defense must win cups"
well I don't know about Perron but Binnington? absolutely.
I have never said "some positions don't matter when it comes to winning championships". I literally said the opposite in my previous post. Don't put words in other people's mouths. In response to somebody endlessly claiming that "defense wins championships" in every post, I responded with the counter to that; offense and goaltending do. They are the most important. My statement, unlike his, is actually supported by facts. That doesn't mean you completely throw out a whole position and its impact, and it doesn't mean that every cup winner follows the same formula.I'm not making the argument that some positions don't matter when it comes to winning championships. That's Dekes' project.
I have never said "some positions don't matter when it comes to winning championships". I literally said the opposite in my previous post. Don't put words in other people's mouths. In response to somebody endlessly claiming that "defense wins championships" in every post, I responded with the counter to that; offense and goaltending do. They are the most important. My statement, unlike his, is actually supported by facts. That doesn't mean you completely throw out a whole position and its impact, and it doesn't mean that every cup winner follows the same formula.
It doesn't. Offense and goaltending do.
Sure you can praise Tavares but did you not see Leafs great Marty Marincin out there to?
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Yes, it can. I have never said otherwise. However, cup-winning teams over the last 12 years have been, on average, better in offense and goaltending than defense, in both the regular season and postseason. That doesn't mean that a team can't win by being elite defensively, but it does counter the idea that "defense wins championships".In a championship run, any position can step up and be the main reason why a team wins.
Any team who wins the Cup needs the offense because it's goals that win games.Offense and goaltending wins championships.
The team that has the the best defence goes out early in the playoffs or never even makes the playoffs.
There was a time for a few seasons where Carolina/Calgary had the best defensive cores, and neither of them even came close to winning ever.
I have never said "some positions don't matter when it comes to winning championships". I literally said the opposite in my previous post. Don't put words in other people's mouths. In response to somebody endlessly claiming that "defense wins championships" in every post, I responded with the counter to that; offense and goaltending do. They are the most important. My statement, unlike his, is actually supported by facts. That doesn't mean you completely throw out a whole position and its impact, and it doesn't mean that every cup winner follows the same formula.
Offense and goaltending wins championships.
The team that has the the best defence goes out early in the playoffs or never even makes the playoffs.
There was a time for a few seasons where Carolina/Calgary had the best defensive cores, and neither of them even came close to winning ever.
Thats full of B.S. Lets play five forwards in the series against Columbus and see how you like that. Not a chance in hell you can cherry pick some trumped up stats that will ever make me value defense over offense over goaltending. There is a chemistry in team. It follows all areas and of play for all players with a system to instill a trust in knowing what you teammates are going to do. It is all undoubtedly equally important. If you want to reinvent the game thinking you can with a persistent argument about it giver’. Its not something i would waste my time arguing about with you.I have never said "some positions don't matter when it comes to winning championships". I literally said the opposite in my previous post. Don't put words in other people's mouths. In response to somebody endlessly claiming that "defense wins championships" in every post, I responded with the counter to that; offense and goaltending do. They are the most important. My statement, unlike his, is actually supported by facts. That doesn't mean you completely throw out a whole position and its impact, and it doesn't mean that every cup winner follows the same formula.
What's wrong with what he said. His stance is valid and he backed it with strong points.You are full of B.S
Yup you want your defence to be respectable. If you get an elite offense, a good goaltender, and even just decent defense as in 15th or so in the league, your good enough.You mostly need a defense which is good enough to not cost you games. I do not think you are going to win many playoff games by completely suffocating an offense, because playoff offenses are too good to suffocate, but you can't have a defense which is incapable of doing anything or giving the team extra chances. Gardiner did that a lot and he killed us. Our defense still does it probably more than it should, but it has improved a lot, and with our offense and a good Andersen, we have the requisite elements to win a Cup.
If someone wants to ramble on about offense and Goaltending as being more important than defense do so, have right at it. System in its infancy, the very beginning of it is completely and totally the about defense and staying in position to defend and gap control and puck support.What's wrong with what he said. His stance is valid and he backed it with strong points.
The opposing users just say illogical stuff because it suits their narrative.
Not sure what your arguing here. Look defense is important, but it's not the be all end all as a certain someone likes to portray it as. You need to score and get a goalie to stop pucks. Those 2 ingredients play a bigger part to winning.If someone wants to ramble on about offense and Goaltending as being more important than defense do so, have right at it. System in its infancy, the very beginning of it is completely and totally the about defense and staying in position to defend and gap control and puck support.
System is defense. So I’m supposed to let someone come in rattling off that system is insignificant when it is primarily defense and basic hockey.
Thats what i find so so wrong about the whole pile of crap. Its crap.
We were second highest scoring team in the league at the pause and were on pins and needles as to getting in the playoffs at 72 games. Most teams can not out score their defensive of goaltending problems. We can and we haveNot sure what your arguing here. Look defense is important, but it's not the be all end all as a certain someone likes to portray it as. You need to score and get a goalie to stop pucks. Those 2 ingredients play a bigger part to winning.
You can't win a game 0 to -1.
The funny thing when talking about Columbus defense is that in the regular season when Toronto defeated them on October 4, 2019 which was their second game the Blue Jackets season opener, Zach Werenski was -1 and Seth Jones finished even with 0 points.Not sure what your arguing here. Look defense is important, but it's not the be all end all as a certain someone likes to portray it as. You need to score and get a goalie to stop pucks. Those 2 ingredients play a bigger part to winning.
You can't win a game 0 to -1.