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It is a gamble. But is it stupid if the Jets pick is say 24th.....the 2025 is 15th.....and Harris?
Yes, that is definitely stupid.
It is a gamble. But is it stupid if the Jets pick is say 24th.....the 2025 is 15th.....and Harris?
Just because one fan wants him doesn't mean the rest of us give two craps about getting him"Oh a French name! Let's get him on the Habs!!"
Y'all didn't want him when he was struggling. You're not getting him now.
*some.And I also understand that Montreal fans always have an infatuation with French Canadian players but the rangers can’t afford to lose him, don’t want to trade him, and don’t need prospects.
O my gawd, Bern, please...please let's lock this. lolRs had recent excessive win now rentals w/zero to show long term and there is need to overcome that by adding futures.
On top of that are the Lias Andersson/Kravtsov debacles.
None of that is not in dispute.
What is open to honest debate is if any one particular deal to add youth is profitable enuf return, which obv varies from deal to deal.
Yes and no.
We need to think smart and extend the window w/youth, which would have been easier done than said if we had not had bad drafting [Krav instead of Dobson, Andersson instead of anyone] and stupid win now rentals = fail.
But that said, while we are both correct here, i.e.,
-- want to enlarge the window, need to pay to acquire quality futures
and
-- we have very little to sell b'c we are contending now,
there is another scenario:
overpayment now which includes something useful now, + something useful down the road.
So if Guhle [helps now] + Rein [in 2-ish yrs when he gets here] ++
for
LaF ++
depending on the currency, in this instance it may be possible to have something where everybody winces, but everybody gets improvement.
win win
Of course, there are some who will only move serious assets if it is a swindle or a bargain in their favor.
I do not say deals have to be balanced or fair.
That is a secondary consideration after each side feels it got enough.
But you don't cut your nose to spite your face.
If you got enuf profit, you don't care what the other guy got.
bonkers. may Laf have much success and a long career in NY. can we lock this? Much like Paul Giamatti, this thread has gone Sideways- an integral part to 1 of the top 3 lines currently in the NHL
- 22 years young
- 1st NYR. 1 OA pick in about 100 years
Trochek/fox/panarin/kreider/zibby and all on the 1 PP. they get the most time as a unit in the entire league on the PP.
All of them are hovering around a PPG or better.
If you replace zibby with laf on the PP he’d have 70-80 pts right now. That’s not a giant leap of faith….
- he’s a 2-way wing who finishes his checks and plays with a chippy attitude.
He’s only going to get better from here.
Not that it matters, but he had horrible puck luck for the 1st 20-25 games or so as well.
Take all of those factors into consideration and he’s had a hell of a year….
Him not being on 1PP and racking up pts passing/shooting from Fox and Panarin should also keep his next deal he signs lower. If there’s a silver lining, this is it.
Add to the fact that Drury and gorton don’t like each other.
I think it would take reinbacher +
Or something like Guhle + unprotected 1st for NYR to consider moving him….
Tbh, moving him at all just isn’t smart for NYR. He’s just scratching the surface of his potential.
And he’s doing it on a teams competing for prez trophy and cup.
Not a bottom feeder or non-playoff team.
All these factors matter.
They asked. That’s what it would likely take for NYR to consider to move him…..bonkers. may Laf have much success and a long career in NY. can we lock this? Much like Paul Giamatti, this thread has gone Sideways
Dude guhle and reinbacher for laff? That is lopsided to the max, Habs take the biggest L of all time if this ever happensRs had recent excessive win now rentals w/zero to show long term and there is need to overcome that by adding futures.
On top of that are the Lias Andersson/Kravtsov debacles.
None of that is not in dispute.
What is open to honest debate is if any one particular deal to add youth is profitable enuf return, which obv varies from deal to deal.
Yes and no.
We need to think smart and extend the window w/youth, which would have been easier done than said if we had not had bad drafting [Krav instead of Dobson, Andersson instead of anyone] and stupid win now rentals = fail.
But that said, while we are both correct here, i.e.,
-- want to enlarge the window, need to pay to acquire quality futures
and
-- we have very little to sell b'c we are contending now,
there is another scenario:
overpayment now which includes something useful now, + something useful down the road.
So if Guhle [helps now] + Rein [in 2-ish yrs when he gets here] ++
for
LaF ++
depending on the currency, in this instance it may be possible to have something where everybody winces, but everybody gets improvement.
win win
Of course, there are some who will only move serious assets if it is a swindle or a bargain in their favor.
I do not say deals have to be balanced or fair.
That is a secondary consideration after each side feels it got enough.
But you don't cut your nose to spite your face.
If you got enuf profit, you don't care what the other guy got.
Honestly, the bigger issue with your OP is timing.The pressure is indeed a fair point to consider
I hope you don't think my OP is putting him down. On the contrary, I see what you are seeing. I see opportunity with the Rangers and their cap situation. They could play around in countless other ways and move other parts to keep Laf, I get it.
But hey....this is HFboards, where spitball trades are always put out there. I think the package I offer is competitive and provides a win opportunity for both teams.
If I was the Rangers, I would ask for Reinbacher as Bern stated. Totally fair. Obviously I am trying to work something without our top defensive prospects.
Fair pointsHonestly, the bigger issue with your OP is timing.
The Rangers have Lafreniere under lock and key for another season at close to 40% of what he's probably worth at this level. They're win-now, and almost nothing massive will change for next season where they will still be in win-now mode but with clocks on Lafreniere, Shesterkin, Miller, and a few others.
This is a trade we maybe come back to in the 2025 offseason if the numbers aren't working out elsewhere.
Yup thats literally the only reason he's been good this year.We don't have a Panarin... No from the Habs.
Thats cool we'll keep Laf.Dude guhle and reinbacher for laff? That is lopsided to the max, Habs take the biggest L of all time if this ever happens
Totally fair.
I think he's slowly developing into a pretty well-rounded player and his value would certainly not be the 'sell low' it was a couple of years ago.
Absolutely you will, that offer is dogsh*tThats cool we'll keep Laf.
You never disappoint with your ridiculous valuations of Ranger players. How DID Kravstov and and Andersson turn out? I wouldn’t trade Guhle OR Reinbacher for Laf, let alone both. It would turn out exponentially worse for Montreal than Drouin/Sergachev. Keep Laf. The vast majority of Montreal fans couldn't care less that he's French. Don't let a vocal minority convince you otherwiseRs had recent excessive win now rentals w/zero to show long term and there is need to overcome that by adding futures.
On top of that are the Lias Andersson/Kravtsov debacles.
None of that is not in dispute.
What is open to honest debate is if any one particular deal to add youth is profitable enuf return, which obv varies from deal to deal.
Yes and no.
We need to think smart and extend the window w/youth, which would have been easier done than said if we had not had bad drafting [Krav instead of Dobson, Andersson instead of anyone] and stupid win now rentals = fail.
But that said, while we are both correct here, i.e.,
-- want to enlarge the window, need to pay to acquire quality futures
and
-- we have very little to sell b'c we are contending now,
there is another scenario:
overpayment now which includes something useful now, + something useful down the road.
So if Guhle [helps now] + Rein [in 2-ish yrs when he gets here] ++
for
LaF ++
depending on the currency, in this instance it may be possible to have something where everybody winces, but everybody gets improvement.
win win
Of course, there are some who will only move serious assets if it is a swindle or a bargain in their favor.
I do not say deals have to be balanced or fair.
That is a secondary consideration after each side feels it got enough.
But you don't cut your nose to spite your face.
If you got enuf profit, you don't care what the other guy got.
By all means, keep him. There's no need for the Rangers to move him abd there's no way Montreal guts thier defence trading away thier best two young D for a wingerYup thats literally the only reason he's been good this year.
Thats cool we'll keep Laf.
Kinda. Except mika. Laff should be on pp1 over him. Habs dont have a player that would be on rangers pp1. Who on the habs do you take over laff? Dont make me laugh and say the dwarfOkay...assuming that right now, kreider, panarin, zibs, trochek, fox and shesty are all better or more valuable players than Laf. Are you telling me that the Rangers 7 best players are all better than the Habs best player?
Okay
Suzuki, Slaf, CaufieldKinda. Except mika. Laff should be on pp1 over him. Habs dont have a player that would be on rangers pp1. Who on the habs do you take over laff? Dont make me laugh and say the dwarf
Happy to keep him. Thanks. Maybe tell your fanbase to stop creating threads trying to get him.By all means, keep him. There's no need for the Rangers to move him abd there's no way Montreal guts thier defence trading away thier best two young D for a winger
It's a small vocal minority. I can't control them any more than you can control the ridiculous stiff Bern saysHappy to keep him. Thanks. Maybe tell your fanbase to stop creating threads trying to get him.
Gladly… that’s the whole point. He finally looks comfortable… there’s no point in moving himBy all means, keep him. There's no need for the Rangers to move him abd there's no way Montreal guts thier defence trading away thier best two young D for a winger
What do all of these 3 have in common you ask? Less even strength points than laff on the season. And caufield LOL.Suzuki, Slaf, Caufield
Slaf is out producing him.ask yourself would you sell Slaf for an offer like that?