I'd love to see how an actual coach like quenneville handles him. He's probably pull an RBA and insist on a buyout.I’m guessing here, but I think it took a lot of restraint by Donny to not bench Skinner. He seems like the kind of player you need to handle with kid gloves, otherwise they’ll lose confidence and you’re left with a 9 million dollar guy who isn’t scoring or playing defense.
Not sure how many other coaches are going to tolerate Skinners indifference to playing defense on a nightly basis.
If they do it this summer via buyout:
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He'll only waive for like 2 places. He's stated time and again that being close to his family (GTA) is his primary concern.I would rather retain 50% over the next three years and trade him.
He'll only waive for like 2 places. He's stated time and again that being close to his family (GTA) is his primary concern.
It's just different than it was many years ago. I bet he would go to a lot of places to get into the playoffs.
No one in the playoffs would want him in a million years, even at 50%. Buyout is almost definitely the only option besides benching him.It's just different than it was many years ago. I bet he would go to a lot of places to get into the playoffs.
I feel like we’re saying that about everyone. Tage, Cozens, Tuch, Skinner….I still feel like it's going to come out this week that Skinner has been playing through an injury for the 2nd half of this year.
No one in the playoffs would want him in a million years, even at 50%. Buyout is almost definitely the only option besides benching him.
I wonder if attaching our 2024 1st helps move the needle.With how he ended the year, yeah, leaning that way.
I wonder if attaching our 2024 1st helps move the needle.
Skinner @ 30% retained + 11OA
I honestly think it’s worth it.
I just went and checked out the buyout on capfriendly. You’re right 3 extra years of 2.4M is not that bad at all.I'd rather they just eat the cap hit and use the pick elsewhere either in trade or make the selection.
I’m pretty sure he needs to waive it to get bought out.Maybe Skinner is willing to waive his NMC over the threat of a buyout? He is still owed another $27mm on his contract but he only gets paid $14.666mm if bought out, that's a loss of $12.444 million for him.
Getting traded anywhere with his contract intact is almost certainly preferable to having to sign for close to league minimum after being bought out. I'd be shocked if he ever earned $12.444mm on new contracts after the buy out.
try againI’m pretty sure he needs to waive it to get bought out.
WrongI’m pretty sure he needs to waive it to get bought out.
Again, no one will want him unless you're paying them in assets. Which isn't really worth it when you'd also be eating cap space in that scenario too.Maybe Skinner is willing to waive his NMC over the threat of a buyout? He is still owed another $27mm on his contract but he only gets paid $14.666mm if bought out, that's a loss of $12.444 million for him.
Getting traded anywhere with his contract intact is almost certainly preferable to having to sign for close to league minimum after being bought out. I'd be shocked if he ever earned $12.444mm on new contracts after the buy out.
Maybe Skinner is willing to waive his NMC over the threat of a buyout? He is still owed another $27mm on his contract but he only gets paid $14.666mm if bought out, that's a loss of $12.444 million for him.
Getting traded anywhere with his contract intact is almost certainly preferable to having to sign for close to league minimum after being bought out. I'd be shocked if he ever earned $12.444mm on new contracts after the buy out.
On which teams though? Will he really want to play in San Jose?Maybe he won't earn 12.44 M on a new contract, but could be close. He is not a league minimum player and about a 50 point, 25 goal player. Regardless of defensive warts, it's at least a couple million per year 3rd line winger. He's 31 and could easily have 30-35 goal seasons again.
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He'd be league minimum to sign with Toronto, which is the only place we wants to be.Maybe he won't earn 12.44 M on a new contract, but could be close. He is not a league minimum player and about a 50 point, 25 goal player. Regardless of defensive warts, it's at least a couple million per year 3rd line winger. He's 31 and could easily have 30-35 goal seasons again.
He doesn't have a choice about whether he is bought out or not. Only whether he goes on waivers prior to buyout or not.Waivers
A player can only be bought out after clearing unconditional waivers. A waiver-claim by another team pre-empts the buyout process. If a player has a no-movement clause, the player can reject the option of waivers and proceed to the buyout process.
They can’t be put on waivers if they have a NMC without their permission. He can still be bought out. But he has a say in the process.
Yeah good point. Time will tell! (Maybe)On which teams though? Will he really want to play in San Jose?
Yep. I was thinking of the NMC preventing waivers but thats not the same as preventing a buyout.He'd be league minimum to sign with Toronto, which is the only place we wants to be.
He doesn't have a choice about whether he is bought out or not. Only whether he goes on waivers prior to buyout or not.