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This thread is for the general discussion of the Article Evaluating TDL rental acquisitions, part 2 (2019-2023). Please add to the discussion here.
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2019
WPG-NYR: Kevin Hayes for 2019 1st, 2022 4th, Brendan Lemieux.
Starting off with my Jets this time. In an attempt to fix their woes at the 2C position, they opted for spending a first and a prospect in the second year in a row. 13 points in 20 games in the regular season wasn’t terrible, but the same cannot necessarily be said about a first round exit before losing Hayes as a free agent. We’re still dealing with that hole at 2C, by the way.
Verdict: fail. The classic outcome.
CBJ-OTT: Ryan Dzingel for 2020 2nd, 2021 2nd, Anthony Duclair.
CBJ-OTT: Matt Duchene, Julius Bergman for 2019 1st, Vitaly Abramov, Jonathan Davidsson (+cond. 2020 1st, condition not filled).
And here’s the other big part of the Columbus fiasco. Given that Columbus “needed” to make a push for the Cup to show Panarin and Bobrovsky that they were serious in Ohio, this certainly was a move that made headlines.
Calling the Giordano trade for Toronto a fail doesn't sit right. He was re-signed to an absurdly below market rate afterwards and has given them a lot of good play for a very reasonable price.
What did we learn? Maybe don’t blow your entire future into Elias Lindholm and Chris Tanev this March. It rarely works out, and unless you’re an elite team already, your chances aren’t great. Stick with more reasonable trades.
On the Gavrikov front, it's worth it for him alone being not a rental. The guy was absolutely transformative for our D.
Never understood this thinking... trying to convince a pending UFA to stay by blowing a massive wad of futures. It's like if you are trying to get with a girl and doing desperate stuff like buying her expensive designer purses and jewellery, and begging her to date you while she is being non-committal. At some point that just comes across as desperate to the person you are wooing.
First of all, how dare you.
Second is that I genuinely don't think we've learned that at all.
Third is that if you have a clear need and there's a player available for a draft pick or two that fits it and your expectations are win a playoff round it's almost criminal negligence to not try to make your roster better. If Toronto and Edmonton for instance do not acquire at least one other goalie this year I will consider their management to have not done their jobs. GMs don't always have the luxury of thinking 6 years from now, most don't that kind of job security.
Year | Cup Winner | Notable Mid-season/Deadline Moves |
05-06 | Carolina | Recchi, Weight |
06-07 | Anaheim | May |
07-08 | Detroit | Stuart |
08-09 | Pittsburgh | Kunitz, Guerin |
09-10 | Chicago | Johnsson (Didn't play in the playoffs) |
10-11 | Boston | Kaberle, Kelly, Peverley |
11-12 | L.A. | Carter |
12-13 | Chicago | Handzus |
13-14 | L.A. | Gaborik |
14-15 | Chicago | Vermette, Desjardins |
15-16 | Pittsburgh | Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Lovejoy |
16-17 | Pittsburgh | Hainsey |
17-18 | Washington | Kempny |
18-19 | St. Louis | - |
19-20 | Tampa | Bogosion, Goodrow, Coleman |
20-21 | Tampa | Savard |
21-22 | Colorado | Manson, Lehkonen |
22-23 | Vegas | Barbeshev, Blueger, Quick |
I appreciate the write-up and read all of your post agreeing with most. The only quarrel I have is that using the team's playoff success seems like it would make almost every acquisition a fail by default since only one team can win the Cup. I get that that's the point of the acquisition but there's so many factors to that, I don't think you can call a rental a failure if they perform well but their team doesn't and they're eliminated early.
He did?we got him for 3 years, he has given us quality minutes in the second and third pair, and he helped us advance past the second round.
Whoops, meant to the second round, too excited in dreamlandHe did?
Yeah, but the consistent theme here is that almost every team that wins the cup gets a rental. I believe the only reason St.Louis didn't is because they didn't actually believe they were a contender. You seem to be expecting teams to be getting a superstar that plays 10 years for them. Those players traditionally aren't available at the deadline. Most of these teams are picking up the best piece available and aren't paying much.
Year Cup Winner Notable Mid-season/Deadline Moves 05-06 Carolina Recchi, Weight 06-07 Anaheim May 07-08 Detroit Stuart 08-09 Pittsburgh Kunitz, Guerin 09-10 Chicago Johnsson (Didn't play in the playoffs) 10-11 Boston Kaberle, Kelly, Peverley 11-12 L.A. Carter 12-13 Chicago Handzus 13-14 L.A. Gaborik 14-15 Chicago Vermette, Desjardins 15-16 Pittsburgh Daley, Hagelin, Schultz, Lovejoy 16-17 Pittsburgh Hainsey 17-18 Washington Kempny 18-19 St. Louis - 19-20 Tampa Bogosion, Goodrow, Coleman 20-21 Tampa Savard 21-22 Colorado Manson, Lehkonen 22-23 Vegas Barbeshev, Blueger, Quick
Bold denotes 1st for a rental.
Italics denotes hockey trades (player for player).
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There's just a lot of FOMO at the deadline, from fans to pundits to organizations even. If you were to rank players 1-20 in importance, there are few Top 5s there. Save for Weight, the high priced rentals didn't provide impact consistent with the price paid; Kaberle and Savard played 3rd pairing roles, while Vermette was actually a healthy scratch at times.
Buyers are good teams and good teams already have talent in core roles. The expected impact is inherently marginal in many cases. It's up to the team's existing best players to perform in crunch time in the end.