tarheelhockey
Offside Review Specialist
Safe to say the 2011 offseason was a complete bust.
Tomas Kaberle, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Brian Boucher and Anthony Stewart. Tim Brent is the only one left.
That's a pretty terrible group of players.
Safe to say the 2011 offseason was a complete bust.
Tomas Kaberle, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Brian Boucher and Anthony Stewart. Tim Brent is the only one left.
Safe to say the 2011 offseason was a complete bust.
Tomas Kaberle, Alexei Ponikarovsky, Brian Boucher and Anthony Stewart. Tim Brent is the only one left.
Some people don't seem to understand 4th liners and role players.
Tim Brent is a penalty killer. I know it's been a while since we've seen them play, but search your memory and you will remember. I think the coaching change did something to his PKTOI, but that doesn't mean Brent doesn't kill penalties.
And for a terrible player, Stewart managed to score 9 goals. I don't think these players are the pile of hot garbage that y'all seem to need to make them out to be. I just don't understand this board's fascination with bagging on players...
The problem for a guy like Stweart is that if you are only going to produce 20 points you need to contribute elsewhere.
How many points is a 4th liner expected to produce?
Stewart was at best below average in every aspect of a 4th liners game.
Tim Brent really doesn't suck. He's what we thought he was.
...except in goals and assists. I'd argue that 9 goals is above average for a 4th liner. That's usually a pretty major contribution factor, for any player. In fact, one might say it's the only one that *really* matters.
I'm not saying he's a great 4th liner, I'm just not giving into the hysteria perpetuated here.
How many points is a 4th liner expected to produce?
This is the best graphic representation I have seen of how coaches use players to suit particular situations. Regardless of how anyone feels about this conversation in particular, I would recommend flipping through the pdf because it truly does capture the difficulty of different players' ice time in a way that is tough to pull out of raw stats.
On each chart:
- The farther left a player is, the more often he started in the defensive zone.
- The higher a player is, the tougher his competition was.
- A white bubble means the team was outshot while the player was on the ice; a blue bubble means the opposite. The size of the bubble tells us the size of the margin (so, big blue bubble > little blue bubble > little white bubble > big white bubble) and note that this metric is adjusted to individual, not team performance.
Say what you will about advanced analytics, but the results are hard to dispute. Brandon Sutter is in the extreme upper-left corner because he was always used defensively against the other team's top lines; he's a big white bubble because (naturally) the Canes were outshot when he was on the ice. One of the very few players in the league who managed to turn upper-left placement into a blue bubble was Jordan Staal; others included Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Backes.
So, where's Anthony Stewart? He's that huge, hideous white bubble in the lower right hand corner, indicating that he played in the offensive zone against weak competition and still managed to get badly outshot! Again, say what you will about advanced stats, but that kind of correlation doesn't lie. You don't get badly outshot by weak competition after starting in the offensive zone, unless you are playing like crap.
Note that Zach Boychuk is the only player still on the roster who received remotely the level of protected minutes that Stewart did. By the end of this season it wouldn't be a surprise to see that entire cluster of soft-minute-munchers playing in other organizations.
Note that Zach Boychuk is the only player still on the roster who received remotely the level of protected minutes that Stewart did. By the end of this season it wouldn't be a surprise to see that entire cluster of soft-minute-munchers playing in other organizations.
this is all very interesting. very. the sad part is, although it does illustrate how awful Stewart was for us, but also illustrates how awful Westgarth was for LA. He did start a little more in the defensive zone than did Stewart, but his bubble is larger.
While true, it should be noted though that Boychuk's sample is only 16 games though. And of the 16 games, 13 of them were with Maurice as the coach...and we know how he used prospects.
How long before we trade for Boll? He a good NC Kid
How long before we trade for Boll? He a good NC Kid
this is all very interesting. very. the sad part is, although it does illustrate how awful Stewart was for us, but also illustrates how awful Westgarth was for LA. He did start a little more in the defensive zone than did Stewart, but his bubble is larger.
that being said, we arent bringing him in to be a good player, and were bringing in Stewart to battle for a top 6 spot so......yeah