Speculation: 2023-24 Free Agency/Trade Thread II

[Leonardo87]

Stamkos to the ducks is a really high probability

I'd rather have Cutter taking those one timers on the PP, being fed from Z or Leo.

 

[70sSanO]

For some reason, I’m thinking PV might take a chance on DeAngelo.

John

 

[Gliff]

I'd rather have Cutter taking those one timers on the PP, being fed from Z or Leo.

100% agree... BUT I think bringing in that personality would be huge for the culture.

For some reason, I’m thinking PV might take a chance on DeAngelo.

John

Speaking of bringing in a personality that will effect the culture. f*** that. Never seen a player this good get bought out for personality issues twice in 3 years lol. If I had a list of players I would not want near the Ducks he might be literally number 1.

 

[Leonardo87]

100% agree... BUT I think bringing in that personality would be huge for the culture.

Again it depends on the deal, and I think he will command a lot and will want term. I just want our kids to start producing more. Vatrano is awesome don't get me wrong, but I would have loved for someone like Mac, Z or Leo putting up those PP numbers, Frankie did.

Obviously injuries had a factor in that as well with their reduced time. So it was hard to really judge. I was disappointed anytime they started the vet unit over the kids one. I get Cronin and co are trying to win games, but player development is important for a team that is rebuilding.

 

[darkwingduck]

Says who?

It's at least 3.13%

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Again it depends on the deal, and I think he will command a lot and will want term. I just want our kids to start producing more. Vatrano is awesome don't get me wrong, but I would have loved for someone like Mac, Z or Leo putting up those PP numbers, Frankie did.

Obviously injuries had a factor in that as well with their reduced time. So it was hard to really judge. I was disappointed anytime they started the vet unit over the kids one. I get Cronin and co are trying to win games, but player development is important for a team that is rebuilding.

I thought last year was supposed to be a development year for the youths, but how they were implemented felt more like we were trying to win games and Cronin couldn't figure out how. The org has very mixed priorities that don't look cohesive, aside from throwing a bunch of darts and see what sticks. Who cares if our point production isn't improving b/c Verbeek feels like there's change in the culture.

For example, on the PP, we kept pushing Fowler as the PP1 when we had Minty and LaCombe available. The only time LaCombe was PP1, he produced two assists. He's your classic, blueline PP1QB. We could have easily taken Fowler off of PP1 to reduce his minutes, but our PP coach is odd like that.

Fowler playing 24:25 ATOI feels like cutting back on some youth(s) time on the blue line, again evidence that we're trying to win at the expense of our youth(s) - at least defensively.

Another oddity is we gifted Carlsson the #1C position and top line minutes, but didn't even give Mac a chance at that 1C position. Instead, Mac carried Vatrano and Strome - good thing b/c those two couldn't produce early in the season without Mac. Mac had to start on the wing and then 4C last year. That's a weird double standard there.

 

[Kalv]

For some reason, I’m thinking PV might take a chance on DeAngelo.

John

Isn't he bad defensively? I don't see him fit the Pats mold at all actually

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Isn't he bad defensively? I don't see him fit the Pats mold at all actually

Ya idk where this idea even came up
Seems so far away from reality

 

[gilfaizon]

I'd rather have Cutter taking those one timers on the PP, being fed from Z or Leo.

Can't it be both?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Isn't he bad defensively? I don't see him fit the Pats mold at all actually

Well... Verbeek did offer Klingberg a multi-year deal a couple of seasons ago.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I'd rather have Cutter taking those one timers on the PP, being fed from Z or Leo.

I would rather have Stamkos on a powerplay than Gauthier

It’s not a knock on CG, but Stamkos is such a weapon

 

[Leonardo87]

I would rather have Stamkos on a powerplay than Gauthier

It’s not a knock on CG, but Stamkos is such a weapon

My point is we are not a contender, it’s more about building and developing our kids. I don’t want to see ice time taken away from them to a guy who will be 35 yo next year.

 

[DavidBL]

My point is we are not a contender, it’s more about building and developing our kids. I don’t want to see ice time taken away from them to a guy who will be 35 yo next year.

Who better to help him learn how to do it in the NHL than Stamkos?

 

[Leonardo87]

Who better to help him learn how to do it in the NHL than Stamkos?

Can we add someone under 30 yo? That fits our contending window?

 

[DavidBL]

Can we add someone under 30 yo? That fits our contending window?

How long does a guy under 30 still fit the contending window? Problem with guys under 30 is they want term which blocks the kids longer assuming the vet remains viable. Stamkos, theoretically should require less term which allows for a natural succession vs guys being asked to do too much too early. Stamkos also gives us a short term Captain with again a natural succession to one of the top kids.

 

[Rasp]

We need leadership and he can guide the kids on how to do it as they grow. Hope Verbeek is on the phone to him.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

My point is we are not a contender, it’s more about building and developing our kids. I don’t want to see ice time taken away from them to a guy who will be 35 yo next year.

I don’t think there’s anyone on this team that can fire it like Stamkos - but sure, put your faith in other prospects that haven’t proven otherwise.

I don’t know if we do land him, but his leadership and offensive abilities would be great to have. Who is he ‘blocking’ realistically?

This ‘developing the kids’ mantra is bullshit lol. If they have the talent, they will persevere. If not, Verbeek will cut them loose

 

[Ducks DVM]

Stamkos was 3rd in the league with 19 PPG. Gauthier can play on the 2nd unit and learn from him, because there’s a close to 0% chance he’s gonna manage that next year. The top rookie this year had 6, Bedard had 4. Top production for rookies the last three years was Zegras with 9 and McTavish with 7.

Then he can learn how not to play defense from Stamkos at ES. Yikes.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

How long does a guy under 30 still fit the contending window? Problem with guys under 30 is they want term which blocks the kids longer assuming the vet remains viable. Stamkos, theoretically should require less term which allows for a natural succession vs guys being asked to do too much too early. Stamkos also gives us a short term Captain with again a natural succession to one of the top kids.

His pedigree is not going to make him available on some one or two year cheap deal. And you don’t just hand the captain responsibility to a guy who’s never played a game for you regardless of his past experience.

He’s made a ton of money already. He isn’t going to finish his career in a dumpster fire like this for some short term overpay.

 

[Leonardo87]

His pedigree is not going to make him available on some one or two year cheap deal. And you don’t just hand the captain responsibility to a guy who’s never played a game for you regardless of his past experience.

He’s made a ton of money already. He isn’t going to finish his career in a dumpster fire like this for some short term overpay.

Yeah that is the concern, sure he’d be a great add, but the cost may be more than what Verbeek wants. If we are going to go big, would try to get Reinhart but that’s a pipe dream. I think our price range is maybe like a DeBrusk, who I would love to add. Only issue is he is a LW, but think he can play both sides.

 

[DavidBL]

His pedigree is not going to make him available on some one or two year cheap deal. And you don’t just hand the captain responsibility to a guy who’s never played a game for you regardless of his past experience.

He’s made a ton of money already. He isn’t going to finish his career in a dumpster fire like this for some short term overpay.

Did i say 1 or 2 year deal? I have a hard time seeing any deal over 4 years. R year deal gets you 2 years where Stamkos is still the guy teaching the kids and then 2 years where presumably the kids overtake him. I'd prefer 3 years sure. Do you see him getting more term than that?

Also, pretty sure we handed the C to Neidermayer when we signed him.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Stamkos was 3rd in the league with 19 PPG. Gauthier can play on the 2nd unit and learn from him, because there’s a close to 0% chance he’s gonna manage that next year. The top rookie this year had 6, Bedard had 4. Top production for rookies the last three years was Zegras with 9 and McTavish with 7.

Then he can learn how not to play defense from Stamkos at ES. Yikes.

Don't we already have Vatrano? Can score goals at ES, PP, and had 3 shorties this season. Problem is, his defense at ES play. If Stamkos does come over, then his +/- rating is gonna suck even worse on this rebuild team. And if Brown stays as our PP coach, then what's the point of having Stamkos around if Brown is gonna neuter him too.

Ducks	ES
game set	Games	GF	GF/GP	GA	GA/GP	GD	GD/Games
1 to 61	61​	162​	2.66​	216​	3.54​	-54​	-0.885​
62 to 82	21​	42​	2.00​	79​	3.76​	-37​	-1.762​

Ducks	ST
game set	Games	PP GF	PP GF/GP	PK GA	PK GA/GP	Shorties	Shortie GA	CF%
1 to 61	61​	33​	0.54​	60​	0.98​	8​	4​	47.0​
62 to 82	21​	6​	0.29​	31​	1.48​	4​	1​	46.9​

Losing LW Rico, F Carrick, and RD Lyubushkin hurt our PK after the TDL. Rico and Carrick are our better FO specialists. I thought Vaak could replace Lyubushkin on hte PK, but guess not?

Who's a top-6 RW that's a scoring net positive at ES and can kill penalties?

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Yeah that is the concern, sure he’d be a great add, but the cost may be more than what Verbeek wants. If we are going to go big, would try to get Reinhart but that’s a pipe dream. I think our price range is maybe like a DeBrusk, who I would love to add. Only issue is he is a LW, but think he can play both sides.

You know how stringent Verbeek is on putting players on their shooting side. That's part of the reason why he's looking for a top-4RD instead of letting LD Zell play at RD, presuming that Luneau is playing RD at the NHL club next season.

 

[Leonardo87]

You know how stringent Verbeek is on putting players on their shooting side. That's part of the reason why he's looking for a top-4RD instead of letting LD Zell play at RD, presuming that Luneau is playing RD at the NHL club next season.

Yeah, Verbeek is looking for a natural RW and a RHD, and it makes sense.

 

[Reveille1984]

Stamkos' last three seasons he's scored 106/84/81 points. I'm sure if he wants a deal longer than 2-3 years somebody will offer it to him given his pedigree, even at 34 years old.

But again, what incentive does he have to come here? We'd have to offer him something crazy to even pique his interest, and if that's the case I wouldn't be interested.