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Why wouldn't they allow it?And how exactly is the AHL allowing this?
Why wouldn't they allow it?And how exactly is the AHL allowing this?
I'm confused. If the Wolves have the money to go independent, why didn't they sign these players? Why were they depending on Carolina to fill out the AHL vets on their roster?I talked to an unnamed person from another organization who is in the room per say and find out that Carolina(owner probably) tells the Wolves if you want to have these players back...no problem...but we won't pay for them. If you want them then you are going to pay for them yourselves. Thus leading to the Wolves getting players, who are marginal at best( see cheap), on loan or signing players who don't want to be here because of the circumstances...
Norfolk tried to go independent when the Pacific teams wanted to move west. The league office told them if they did, the league didn't have to schedule any games for them. Norfolk relented and sold their franchise to Anaheim.Why wouldn't they allow it?
Just because you have the money doesn't mean you want to spend it, plus it also depends on what their agreement with Carolina is..I'm confused. If the Wolves have the money to go independent, why didn't they sign these players? Why were they depending on Carolina to fill out the AHL vets on their roster?
I brought this up in conversation as well...who knows maybe that's why some of the independent teams want Howson gone...easier path to independence?Norfolk tried to go independent when the Pacific teams wanted to move west. The league office told them if they did, the league didn't have to schedule any games for them. Norfolk relented and sold their franchise to Anaheim.
Welcome to life as a development team. These are the rules and realities each and every team faces. If the Wolves don't like it they can sell, fold, or start their own league. There may be some markets that would like to see a restart of the old IHL.I don't know that they are "pining" for the IHL days as much as they are sick of being told one thing by the parent club and then having another thing done. Multiple times over the years they have been told a certain player was to be sent here only for the parent club to keep that player up even though they were outplayed by another player.
Example...2021 pandemic season they take players from 2 NHL teams to help out another team...2022 Carolina goes all out to win a Calder cup in Chicago because they believe it benefits their prospects to learn to win and play deep into the playoffs...it works Wolves win 3rd Calder cup and 5th overall championship.
2023...Wolves roster has an unprecedented turnover of players leaving for other organizations but no one knows why...I talked to an unnamed person from another organization who is in the room per say and find out that Carolina(owner probably) tells the Wolves if you want to have these players back...no problem...but we won't pay for them. If you want them then you are going to pay for them yourselves. Thus leading to the Wolves getting players, who are marginal at best( see cheap), on loan or signing players who don't want to be here because of the circumstances...
Except I don't know if there is much value in the IHL in 2024 or 2025 as there was in the 1990s. People don't like failure, and people are unwilling to invest in the long term. There may be a few markets that might be interested in going rogue for the sake of showing the AHL who's boss, but that could backfire spectacularly.Welcome to life as a development team. These are the rules and realities each and every team faces. If the Wolves don't like it they can sell, fold, or start their own league. There may be some markets that would like to see a restart of the old IHL.
I LOVE this post....Coming from someone who's location is purported is to be Calgary...You know... the NHL team that has burned down more AHL affiliate cities than Godzilla has Japanese buildings. But do tell me how an affiliation works. Thanks for setting me straight on all of this...Welcome to life as a development team. These are the rules and realities each and every team faces. If the Wolves don't like it they can sell, fold, or start their own league. There may be some markets that would like to see a restart of the old IHL.
Then that reduces Chicago's choices. They should have to play by the rules like everybody else.Except I don't know if there is much value in the IHL in 2024 or 2025 as there was in the 1990s. People don't like failure, and people are unwilling to invest in the long term. There may be a few markets that might be interested in going rogue for the sake of showing the AHL who's boss, but that could backfire spectacularly.
I'm not a Flames fan and have been more than critical about the Shames and their disastrous approach to player development. Maybe the Flames should go to Chicago as neither organization has any idea how to develop players.I LOVE this post....Coming from someone who's location is purported is to be Calgary...You know... the NHL team that has burned down more AHL affiliate cities than Godzilla has Japanese buildings. But do tell me how an affiliation works. Thanks for setting me straight on all of this...
Chicago does play by the same rules as everyone else...if they didn't they couldn't play...Then that reduces Chicago's choices. They should have to play by the rules like everybody else.
I'm not a Flames fan and have been more than critical about the Shames and their disastrous approach to player development. Maybe the Flames should go to Chicago as neither organization has any idea how to develop players.
No - I've only been living here in Calgary for over 27 years now and observing the Flames from inside city limits.The second part of your post tells me all I need to know not to engage in a battle of wits with you...
They cannot just grab european players. A a veteran playerGoalies are exempt.
They can ice a team full of college graduates who never got NHL or AHL contracts, guys who played a couple years in Europe and are home sick, and a bunch of career ECHL'ers. The vets can be lifer AHL'ers and NHL players on their way out the door.
No salary cap nor roster cap means they can have as many people as they want on the payroll.
Just for games, they're limited to 13 skaters with less than 260 games played and 1 skater under 320 games. The remaining spots are unlimited.
Beause their by-laws allow it? What they did with Norfolk when they tried to do this back when, the AHL said fine, we just wont schedule any games or officials. Difference is LEvin has tons of money and is not afraid of starting a lawsuit.And how exactly is the AHL allowing this?
Welcome to life as a development team. These are the rules and realities each and every team faces. If the Wolves don't like it they can sell, fold, or start their own league. There may be some markets that would like to see a restart of the old IHL.
There are no by laws that require an AHL team to be affiliated with an NHL team except upon entry into the league. There used to be a thread pinned to this forum explaining that because axecrew refused to believe it, just kidding, it wasn't axe but long time posters know who it is.I haven't seen the league bylaws/constitution (whatever they call it) so I'm curious if there's an actual bylaw in the AHL that requires affiliation with a NHL club or if it's a "rule" or "gentlemen's agreement" of sorts that the league pushes.
If there's no bylaw that states Chicago has to affiliate with a NHL club, they can certainly sign a roster that checks the boxes on length of service and be in compliance with the rules. They can sign some veteran ECHL+ guys and a few AHL/KHL/European guys, plus collegiate free agents that don't want to get stuck in the ECHL/AHL shuffle, and away they go as an independent. There's enough hockey talent to run off with a decent club if Chicago is willing to play by the rules (and assuming the league does in fact not have an actual bylaw in place requiring affiliation).
Assuming no bylaw, Chicago has more of a case to chase indy status in the AHL than Norfolk did at the time of the "gun to head" move with the Admirals. Besides Chicago being a travel hub, Chicago is near a bunch of clubs in the Midwest. Norfolk was very much a geographic island in the league. Easier to tell them off. It's going to be harder to chase Chicago away. unless the bylaw is ironclad.
Yes it was me...but only in a clutch....There are no by laws that require an AHL team to be affiliated with an NHL team except upon entry into the league. There used to be a thread pinned to this forum explaining that because axecrew refused to believe it, just kidding, it wasn't axe but long time posters know who it is.
And the rule and reality is no affiliation required, just have to abide by the veteran rule.
There will NOT be a 33rd team...not today not tomorrow not until the NHL expands to that number. That is a thought that is 100% completely off the books. Bottomline is simple...Chicago can 100% indeed go independent, they fulfilled the requirement to enter the league over 2 decades ago when they affiliated with Atlanta. As long as they play by the same rules the other 31 teams play by there isn't anything to say. Can the league play hardball with them like Tommy said...absolutely they can play that way and tell them they won't schedule any games for them...BUT...they won't.. WHY? Quite simple..The AHL does NOT want to get into a pissing contest with Wolves ownership, who is a Sports Agent who is a lawyer...and the other a Billionaire, especially in light of the fact that said ownership has felt the AHL treated them like crap all this time. That is the VERY reason Chicago being a travel hub has never hosted an AHL All Star game in spite of how logical it would be...they don't want anymore dealings with the league then they have to.I think there has to be 33 teams in the AHL to continue allowing all 32 teams to have an AHL affiliate of their own.
As it stands, I think Grand Rapids should move to the North Division to join the rest of the ETZ teams in the East, while Calgary and Colorado, both MTZ teams in areas that observe DST, should be moved to the Central. The 33rd team has to go to the Western Conference because I think the East should be affiliated with Eastern teams in the NHL, and the West teams outside the Wolves be affiliated with NHL Western Conference teams. It is up to the AHL where they would want to place team #33.
Read my post below yours...and that untapped market you speak of...do some research and look at the tons of different entertainment options the city of Chicago has on any given night...and not just sports...Is there anything preventing the AHL to dump the club and for Carolina to find a new suitor?
I mean the Wolf have great attendance for the AHL, but there a lot of big untapped market
I do not disagree with most of what you say except one point. The NHL is going to have a say, and if the NHL wants to Carolina to have its own affiliate. If Carolina wants to have its own affiliate. Then Carolina will have its own affiliate because at the end the day the other owners can take their ball and go to another sand box and leave Chicago by itself.There will NOT be a 33rd team...not today not tomorrow not until the NHL expands to that number. That is a thought that is 100% completely off the books. Bottomline is simple...Chicago can 100% indeed go independent, they fulfilled the requirement to enter the league over 2 decades ago when they affiliated with Atlanta. As long as they play by the same rules the other 31 teams play by there isn't anything to say. Can the league play hardball with them like Tommy said...absolutely they can play that way and tell them they won't schedule any games for them...BUT...they won't.. WHY? Quite simple..The AHL does NOT want to get into a pissing contest with Wolves ownership, who is a Sports Agent who is a lawyer...and the other a Billionaire, especially in light of the fact that said ownership has felt the AHL treated them like crap all this time. That is the VERY reason Chicago being a travel hub has never hosted an AHL All Star game in spite of how logical it would be...they don't want anymore dealings with the league then they have to.
The question no one seems to be zeroing in on is...What is carolina going to do? They only have a small number of choices...
#1...Come to jesus and figure out how to make it work with Chicago
#2...hope to share a team with someone
#3 sprinkle their guys throughout the league ala Dallas a number of years ago
2 and 3 aren't very good options for a team that just wants their affiliate to only develop their players because just because they are there doesn't mean they will or have to play meaningful minutes. Not too mention they sure won't be developing any chemistry with their organization team mates playing apart from each other in another teams systems.
Guess we will see what happens
Read my post below yours...and that untapped market you speak of...do some research and look at the tons of different entertainment options the city of Chicago has on any given night...and not just sports...