Buffalo Bills Week 16: Bills at Pats -- Division on the line

[Dirty Dog]

Yes, I’d say we can make that argument that it’s a health concern seeing as 2 Buffalo bills were in the hospital with covid (one just got out) and a 3rd missed the entire 2020 season after a mild case of covid gave him myocarditis.

If you can say how a change in nfl policy would have prevented that, then you can complain about that policy.

If you can’t, then I agree

 

[BowieSabresFan]

Where are the decade long studies to prove exactly how safe and effective it just happens to be? They're cramming an experimental drug and its boosters onto the world's population. One of Pfizer big wigs said vaxxed and boosted isn't showing close to 95%, 'Heels Up' at a press conference said the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths were vaxxed but you should get it anyways.

I'm not antivax, I was vaxxed and then got 2 pens in the chest for a reaction so no booster ever for me. What I find interesting is the rates of infection is much higher in vaxxed countries than those with low vax rates. Could be lack of testing like how the slums have zero infection though unmasked and living on top of each other, whilst HighSo has cases left and right.

You may not be anti-vax, but you do have those arguments in your post. For example, the vaccines are not experimental. The technology for them has been around for quite a while. There are other issues with your post, but I'll leave it at that.

Put your post in the Covid 19 board here, and see what the response is. I guarantee you it will be torn apart by the actual specialists that post there.

 

[Waterfowlist]

As a researcher it pains me to see the amount of willful ignorance that remains two years into a pandemic.

I'm not going to sit here and go point for point with all the misinformation that has been spread in the last few posts, but for those who want to know what the numbers actually look like:

• People 12-64 are 4-5 times more likely to contract Covid if you are unvacinated
• People over 65 are 7 times more likely to contract Covid if you are unvacinated
• If you do contract covid, you are 90-95% more like to end up in a hospital if you are unvacinated.

COVID Data Tracker
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
How do death rates from COVID-19 differ between people who are vaccinated and those who are not?
And every single state health department website could be cited here.

Can anyone say Beasley or Gabe wouldn't have contracted it had they been vaccinated? Nope, not possible. Is there a 4-5 times greater chance that they wouldn't have? Yes, that is demonstratable. Anyone notice how the known unvaccinated players on the bills are the ones who keep getting it? Yes, others have gotten it, but comparatively, I think their infection rates of unvaccinated vs. vaxxed are pretty similar to the general public when you consider at least 80% of the team members are vaccinated. I.e., vaccines prevent many infections but not all.

"but uncle joey got the covids and he was vaccinated! Clearly they don't work!"

Hopefully Diggs, Sanders and Allen can remain infection free. If we have those 3, I'm still confident the bills will win this game.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

If you can say how a change in nfl policy would have prevented that, then you can complain about that policy.

If you can’t, then I agree

Oh, my bad I misunderstood what you were saying.

I thought you were just asking if we could make an argument that covid (in general) was a health concern to the players.

my apologies.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

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So much ignorance in one meme.

 

[WeDislikeEich]

So, why is anyone mad that Beasley and Davis got Covid, and they’re unvaccinated?

The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching it or passing it.

Had each been vaccinated, it wouldn’t change anything in the current situation.

We obviously can’t say for sure the vaccine would have prevented them from getting covid. It might have since it helps prevent infection (by roughly 50-80% last I looked). Or they might still be on the covid list right now.

But what we can say for sure are that the rules are much different for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated players and both players knew that very well (Beasley talked about it endlessly).

They are both out a minimum of 10 days regardless of symptoms. So the earliest Beasley can come back is next Friday and the earliest Davis can come back is 2 Monday’s from now (so he 100% misses the Atlanta game next week too and if Beasley makes it in time for next week’s game he will have missed a whole week of practice). That’s assuming both are symptom free for at least 48 hours by then.

Where as if they were vaccinated, they’d only need 2 negative tests 24 hours apart to return. So both could be back in as little as 2 days.

There’s also other rules that are different, like even if they were just a close contact they’d miss 3 days (or 5, can’t remember which). Or if a game has to be postponed due to unvaccinated players they make you forfeit the game.

Teams that are 100% vaccinated are at a competitive advantage.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Oh, my bad I misunderstood what you were saying.

I thought you were just asking if we could make an argument that covid (in general) was a health concern to the players.

my apologies.

Ha no worries. I am on your side with all that.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Where are the decade long studies to prove exactly how safe and effective it just happens to be? They're cramming an experimental drug and its boosters onto the world's population. One of Pfizer big wigs said vaxxed and boosted isn't showing close to 95%, 'Heels Up' at a press conference said the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths were vaxxed but you should get it anyways.

I'm not antivax, I was vaxxed and then got 2 pens in the chest for a reaction so no booster ever for me. What I find interesting is the rates of infection is much higher in vaxxed countries than those with low vax rates. Could be lack of testing like how the slums have zero infection though unmasked and living on top of each other, whilst HighSo has cases left and right.

I’m also vaxxed and suffered chest pain for months after but nobody wants to talk about that. As an athlete I probably would have been out for months. On the other hand, I had Covid as well and it wasn’t fun but it should be left to individual choice.

 

[joshjull]

You may not be anti-vax, but you do have those arguments in your post. For example, the vaccines are not experimental. The technology for them has been around for quite a while. There are other issues with your post, but I'll leave it at that.

Put your post in the Covid 19 board here, and see what the response is. I guarantee you it will be torn apart by the actual specialists that post there.

It’s amazing how hard some work to be paranoid over an amazing achievement of modern medicine.

The nonsense that gets spewed about it is truly sad. I fear for the future of our society where ignorance can run rampant so easily.

 

[Djp]

So, why is anyone mad that Beasley and Davis got Covid, and they’re unvaccinated?

The vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching it or passing it.

Had each been vaccinated, it wouldn’t change anything in the current situation.

Being vaxxed/ boosted likrly coukd have pre rented them from testing positive. Sure you can sone positive tests if vaxxed.

the vax doesn’t prevent exposure but it does pre ent the disease from forming in your body becoming symptoms you see.

if you fight it you are unlikely to pass it on to others.

Where are the decade long studies to prove exactly how safe and effective it just happens to be? They're cramming an experimental drug and its boosters onto the world's population. One of Pfizer big wigs said vaxxed and boosted isn't showing close to 95%, 'Heels Up' at a press conference said the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths were vaxxed but you should get it anyways.

I'm not antivax, I was vaxxed and then got 2 pens in the chest for a reaction so no booster ever for me. What I find interesting is the rates of infection is much higher in vaxxed countries than those with low vax rates. Could be lack of testing like how the slums have zero infection though unmasked and living on top of each other, whilst HighSo has cases left and right.

if I’m following you, you got a reaction to the vaccine e? If so thst could be due to other medical conditions or things like allergic reactions that occured with past vaccinations.

the science behind the vax is positive. It works.

Vaxxed country spread has a higher correlation to peop,e traveling around and international spread. Higher vax reporting has todo with better infrastructure and disease reporting requirements that don’t exist in 3rd world countries.

research in this vax was done different when they accelerated the process flow of trials instead of it being linear it was done in parallel.

 

[Djp]

It’s amazing how hard some work to be paranoid over an amazing achievement of modern medicine.

The nonsense that gets spewed about it is truly sad. I fear for the future of our society where ignorance can run rampant so easily.

many of the same buy into conspiracies….

 

[missingmika]

many of the same buy into conspiracies….

Ultimate conspiracy:

 

[Krieger Bot]

Anyone know of a good way to stream tomorrow's game? I'm stuck out of market for the holidays, and I don't have DirectTV. And some preliminary Googling didn't reveal any good options.

 

[old kummelweck]

Anyone know of a good way to stream tomorrow's game? I'm stuck out of market for the holidays, and I don't have DirectTV. And some preliminary Googling didn't reveal any good options.

fubo works from anywhere.

 

[Mike McDermott]

Ultimate conspiracy:

I’ve interacted with so many people that believe this, it is funny. At least this is a minor, relatively harmless one to believe.

 

[Dubi Doo]

I’m also vaxxed and suffered chest pain for months after but nobody wants to talk about that. As an athlete I probably would have been out for months. On the other hand, I had Covid as well and it wasn’t fun but it should be left to individual choice.

Sounds like myocarditis, and has absolutely been talked about. You should've brought this up to your doctor because if it was myocarditis- it's easily treatable.

 

[Asymmetric Solution]

Sounds like myocarditis, and has absolutely been talked about. You should've brought this up to your doctor because if it was myocarditis- it's easily treatable.

I’ve finally been referred to a cardiologist after months of doing treatments for everything under the sun but that.

 

[Dubi Doo]

It’s amazing how hard some work to be paranoid over an amazing achievement of modern medicine.

The nonsense that gets spewed about it is truly sad. I fear for the future of our society where ignorance can run rampant so easily.

I dont think people realize how absolutely butt f***ed we would've been had Delta hit this winter without vaccines. 80% of our ICU population with COVID is unvaccinated in an area that's nearly 70% fully vaccinated. The climb to population wide immunity wouldve been UGLY, and that's putting it lightly.

This healthcare worker is GRATEFUL for these vaccines. I get filled with resentment toward the unvaxxed because we had to stop some elective cases again due to our ICUs being so full. Had that 80% been vaccinated- we're still doing all of our elective cases.

I try to avoid that resentment, though. Once you witness an unvaccinated pregnant woman unconscious on ECMO, and find out she had a stillbirth- that resentment turns to a deep sadness.

Please, please just get vaccinated people. There are rare side effects like what @Asymmetric Solution brought up, but the reward outweighs the cost a 100 fold.

I also dont support mandates, either. Not that Im against the idea of them, but I believe theyll cause too much social tension and push more negative narratives around other vaccines. But I 110% support vaccination. Im grateful for these vaccines, man. So f***ing grateful.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

So what is our line for tomorrow: Brown-Boetter-Morse-Bates-Williams? Yikes.

 

[Waterfowlist]

Dawkins being back is HUGE. One more day to avoid a catastrophic covid designation!

 

[Waterfowlist]

I wonder what the Star "personal reasons" are for missing the game. Hopefully he didn't have a death in the family or something.

Purely speculating... I wonder if he is having second thoughts about playing during the pandemic...

 

[valet]

I dont think people realize how absolutely butt f***ed we would've been had Delta hit this winter without vaccines. 80% of our ICU population with COVID is unvaccinated in an area that's nearly 70% fully vaccinated. The climb to population wide immunity wouldve been UGLY, and that's putting it lightly.

This healthcare worker is GRATEFUL for these vaccines. I get filled with resentment toward the unvaxxed because we had to stop some elective cases again due to our ICUs being so full. Had that 80% been vaccinated- we're still doing all of our elective cases.

I try to avoid that resentment, though. Once you witness an unvaccinated pregnant woman unconscious on ECMO, and find out she had a stillbirth- that resentment turns to a deep sadness.

Please, please just get vaccinated people. There are rare side effects like what @Asymmetric Solution brought up, but the reward outweighs the cost a 100 fold.

I also dont support mandates, either. Not that Im against the idea of them, but I believe theyll cause too much social tension and push more negative narratives around other vaccines. But I 110% support vaccination. Im grateful for these vaccines, man. So f***ing grateful.

i think it’s just difficult for most people to understand this pandemic on a macro level. america ranks 1st out of all nations in individualism as a cultural trait. people here are stubborn and more prone to going their own way. obviously, this leads to insanely positive results as far as technological innovation and business ventures are concerned, but in terms of a pandemic situation it is not so desirable. unless people have been affected personally, or know someone that works in medicine that they have sat down with and heard from about packed ICUs with half the patients dying (literal horror stories), it is just an inconvenience to them.

in this context many people’s reactions seem very logical and predictable. it’s just frustrating that in an age of extreme ease of access to information, people can’t put themselves aside and really think about what’s happening. so many lives affected, changed forever. it is mind bogglingly sad and immensely difficult to process, but once people really get it, they start making better decisions on behalf of the collective rather than just their own personal interests

 

[joshjull]

Good to see Dawkins back

 

[NotABadPeriod]

Dawkins back is huge. Feliciano/Ford being out doesn't sting nearly as much.

 

[Waterfowlist]

Kendrick borne is back for the Pats too. That is big for them.