Sensinitis
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Yes he should already be number 4 on the list or higher if he slips any further it wont be a good look. Better player than both Makar and Hughes at the same age and he comes with all the intangibles. His ppg is barely lower than Rossi's and he plays d on a way worse team at the same age.It’s Drysdale. His performance at the U-20’s is something you don’t see very often as a 17Y/O. Not to mention he was near PPG on Erie, one of the leagues worst teams.
What if everybody that voted Raymond also has Perfetti ahead of Drysdale?If there was a tie breaker for Drysdale and Raymond wouldn't we just skip to 6?...
Two wrongs dont make a right.What if everybody that voted Raymond also has Perfetti ahead of Drysdale?
.96 is barely lower than 2.14? Yikes... Either you aren't clearly saying what you entended, or you might want to check you math.Yes he should already be number 4 on the list or higher if he slips any further it wont be a good look. Better player than both Makar and Hughes at the same age and he comes with all the intangibles.His ppg is barely lower than Rossi's and he plays d on a way worse team at the same age.
I mean as 17 year olds playing in the OHL..96 is barely lower than 2.14? Yikes... Either you aren't clearly saying what you entended, or you might want to check you math.
Or did you mean power play goals? Odd criticism given Rossi acts as a playmaker on the pp. Nobody complained that Spezza didn't score tons of goals on the pp.
If there was a tie breaker for Drysdale and Raymond wouldn't we just skip to 6?...
Using Rossi's 17 year old season seems like a good idea on the surface but is foolish when you consider how much Rossi development beat the curve. It isn't normal to see a players production jump that much, by comparing their 17 year old seasons you assume Drysdale will experience a similar development curve which imo is unreasonable.I mean as 17 year olds playing in the OHL.
1.22 vs .96
Stacked OHL team as a first liner vs a D man on a bad team.
Using Rossi's 17 year old season seems like a good idea on the surface but is foolish when you consider how much Rossi development beat the curve. It isn't normal to see a players production jump that much, by comparing their 17 year old seasons you assume Drysdale will experience a similar development curve which imo is unreasonable.
What is reasonable is to project drysdale forward to narmalize their age, but he is going to be at a disadvanage going forward because he is already getting all the opportunity (pp time, offensive deployment ect) that can be expected where as Rossi likely was not getting the same deployment last year as he did this one.
All this is a bit semantic, i have Drysdale next anyways.
This whole paragraph missrepresents what i said...Foolish? Common, Rossi is very advanced physically and from a maturity stand point its not a case where the player just grew or started to realize his potential. I am honestly shocked by the double standars in your post. Its reasonable to not expect an absolutely elite prospect to continue to develop while most others all do?.... That seems very unreasonable.
The important bit was that Drysdales opportunity is not likely to improve, if Rossi did in fact get the same degree of opportunity last year that only makes his progression more statistically improbable, it doesn't affect Drysdale's likelihood of following a similar curve.Rossi was absolutely getting every opportunity to succeed he was playing first line and first PP with Felhaber and Keating I take it you didnt watch the 67's much last year. Rossi was in a way better situation last year as a 17 year old than Drysdale was this season
This whole paragraph missrepresents what i said...
Rossi's progression from last year to this year was extrodinary in terms of the jump in production. You can certainly expect drysdale to progress, but its unrealistic to expect the same curve. Drysdale is highly unlikely to see his production nearly double the way Rossi did. Its foolish to expect that so hence why i said its more reasonable to project how Drysdale will develop going forward than it is to essensially dismiss how extrodinary Rossi's year to year improvement was by comparing his 17 year old season to Drysdale this year.
I'm not biased against Drysdale for gods sake i said i had him ranked 5th, ahead of Rossi, but you superficial comparisson of 17 year old seasons is in itself introducing a systemic bias (as in you methodoly is inherently biased towards players being drafted in their 17 year old season for the reasons i went over).
Thats great, you projected a reasonable jump in production for Drysdale, my point is Rossi jumped to a degree that while possible (since he actually did it) would not be reasonable to expect, (particularly for player who were already producing at a high level). If i told you Perfetti would see the same jump in production as Rossi (a 74% increase in pts per game) you call me crazy, Perfetti will continue to improve but he won't be hitting 3.2 pts per game next year, so a flat comparisson of Rossi's 17 year season an Perfetti this year is clearly unreasonable. But, projecting Perfetti to catch up or pass Rossi's production is a reasonable projection hence why lots of people rank Perfetti ahead of Rossi.I dont think its unreasonable at all to see Drysdale score in the 80 to 90 point range next season if they get a full year in. If Hoefenmayer can do it Drysdale certainly can. Id bet if Drysdale played on the 67's this season he would have had 70 + points maybe even more.
So no I dont believe its foolish at all when you look at it comparatively and critically.
Thats great, you projected a reasonable jump in production for Drysdale, my point is Rossi jumped to a degree that while possible (since he actually did it) would not be reasonable to expect, (particularly for player who were already producing at a high level). If i told you Perfetti would see the same jump in production as Rossi (a 74% increase in pts per game) you call me crazy, Perfetti will continue to improve but he won't be hitting 3.2 pts per game next year, so a flat comparisson of Rossi's 17 year season an Perfetti this year is clearly unreasonable. But, projecting Perfetti to catch up or pass Rossi's production is a reasonable projection hence why lots of people rank Perfetti ahead of Rossi.
At some point you have to start taking into accout the talent surrounding all three of these players. Perfetti and Rossi have played for elite teams stacked with talent for two years Drysdale hasnt. Every time Drysdale is surrounded with elite talent (internationally) he has tremendous production compared to his peers.
I don't think anyone that watched Rossi and Perfetti would believe Rossi is the more talented offensive player. Perfetti is clearly more talented from an offensive stand point. Rossi far more complete way better two way player.
I find it interesting that the 2 purest goal scorers of the draft have 0 votes.