Value of: Swayman

[Scintillating10]

Those are some massive ifs

17% chance we move up. Dubois much more doable.

 

[majormajor]

Bruins have no need for another LW with Pastrnak and Debrusk.

Plus no room to take back any salary if Swayman is getting dealt

PLD is a center, and yes I do think it would be strange for Boston to prioritize keeping both Ullmark and Swayman while they leave center empty.

Obviously it only works with heavy retention, maybe Forbort/Reilly getting shipped out.

 

[Qwijibo]

17% chance we move up. Dubois much more doable.

That’s not how math works. There are 2 lotteries. In each one Montréal has an 8.5% chance of moving up. So they have 8.5% chance. Twice. That’s it. Not a 17% chance. It’s FAR more likely Montreal moves down a spot to 6.

Either way. I’m not risking a potential lottery pick next year on an 8.5% shot at Bedard for a goalie. Goalie return that kind of windfall because they are , by in large, a product of the system they play in and the team in front of them

 

[Djp]

Cost would be very high . Swayman is the real deal . I think they match anything reasonable and trade one of the goalies at a later point

He’s unproven as a starter and is a product of the system he’s in.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

He’s unproven as a starter and is a product of the system he’s in.

Been elite at every level . And was borderline elite last year when Boston wasn’t nearly as strong . I repeat the cost would be high . Goalies this young and talented aren’t typically available.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Habs offer a 1 years 4.2M$ to him
Comp would be a 2nd pick in 2024, and Obv Bruins would match that, but they's need to get rid of a lot of salary and can"t trade Sway for the whole year, meaning he'd have arb right in 2024 and likelly gets a lot more.

Hope the new management will not go offer sheet route.

Would rather try to find a 3rd team and pays them the price for Swayman

Pay back for Jeff Hackett you ... Bruins organisation

 

[Mersss]

Been elite at every level . And was borderline elite last year when Boston wasn’t nearly as strong . I repeat the cost would be high . Goalies this young and talented aren’t typically available.

Boston Bruins hands are tied if he signs an OS in a team where he'd be a #1.

The team can't afford 10M tied up in nets and replace 2 top9 Cs with the little cap they have.

An OS at 4.2 for 1 yeat is the absolute worse for BOS...

If they trade Ullmark to keep Swayman. They only have a week to do so and will get penny on the dollars back. Sway posts another stellar season and he'll get an even bigger contract, putting the Bs even deeper in cap troubles.

If they keep both they won't be able to get a new 2C cause no cash

If they don't match they only get a 2nd

 

[Adam da bomb]

Boston Bruins hands are tied if he signs an OS in a team where he'd be a #1.

The team can't afford 10M tied up in nets and replace 2 top9 Cs with the little cap they have.

An OS at 4.2 for 1 yeat is the absolute worse for BOS...

If they trade Ullmark to keep Swayman. They only have a week to do so and will get penny on the dollars back. Sway posts another stellar season and he'll get an even bigger contract, putting the Bs even deeper in cap troubles.

If they keep both they won't be able to get a new 2C cause no cash

If they don't match they only get a 2nd

You make great points but this isn’t the first time BOS hands were tied and they figured it out.

 

[Mersss]

You make great points but this isn’t the first time BOS hands were tied and they figured it out.

Indeed. I'm just saying teams in need of a young starter (Habs, Ottawa, etc...) Should be all over this.

 

[Qwijibo]

Been elite at every level . And was borderline elite last year when Boston wasn’t nearly as strong . I repeat the cost would be high . Goalies this young and talented aren’t typically available.

Regardless. Goalies don’t bring big returns. They’re too unpredictable.

 

[SEALBound]

To the Penguins please. I would gladly give the 1st we have, barring some sort of major move upwards.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

If Georgiev can get 2x3rd round picks and a 5th round pick as an RFA, being older and having worse stats, Swayman would get a lot more.

Bruins match anything in that 2nd round pick comp return on an offer sheet. Over that price and it becomes a serious decision on possibly not matching and taking the picks.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Could see the Bruins selling high on Ullmark in the off-season when his NMC turns into a 16 team NTC, assuming he's not intent on staying in Boston at all cost and doesn't use his NTC to basically ensure he can't be dealt.

Could give Swayman a cheap 1 year bridge deal to get them through next season's cap issues.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Isn't Swayman the Bruins goalie of future?

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

To the Penguins please. I would gladly give the 1st we have, barring some sort of major move upwards.

This is what I think happens too . First plus . Or as someone suggested sell high on Ullmark and roll w Swayman who could potentially be as good /similar.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Pens don't currently have their 2nd or 3rd round pick, so an offer sheet at 4 or 5 mil can't happen. I assume we could buy those back for other, slightly more valuable assets though.

Would BOS consider PIT's 2023 1st for Swayman?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Swayman is not signing an unmatched offer sheet with the majority of teams unless the offer is the type the Bruins receive several picks.

 

[Fantomas]

Kings should be all over this.

 

[McGarnagle]

I don't see an offer sheet as realistic.

Swayman has no incentive to sign anything under $4.2 AAV. I don't think anyone is willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for him either, so they're unlikely to offer over $4.2 when he's never carried a full season load. Even if they did, I think the Bruins match anything up to $5.

I expect the Bruins to give him a bridge deal in the $4-$4.5 range and to trade Ullmark.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Somebody needs to offersheet Swayback and brings the Bruins to heel.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Would be funny if Montreal got Swayman for a #1 this year. Montreal won the lottery. And Boston gets Bedard.

Don't see it happening though.

You don't see Montreal trading away a non-lottery protected 1st in this draft...

You must have psychic powers!

 

[McGarnagle]

Any RFA signings this summer would involve 2024 draft picks anyway, not 2023.

 

[Petes2424]

He’s going to get around $3 million for 2 years. Normally a team can handle that but they’ve got to cut costs in as many places as they can find.

We should assume they’ll receive a few phone calls on him.

 

[LPHabsFan]

Would be funny if Montreal got Swayman for a #1 this year. Montreal won the lottery. And Boston gets Bedard.

Don't see it happening though.

I don't think you understand how time, trades, draft lottery, rfa offer sheets, or a whole bunch of other things work do you...

 

[Brodeur]

Pens don't currently have their 2nd or 3rd round pick, so an offer sheet at 4 or 5 mil can't happen. I assume we could buy those back for other, slightly more valuable assets though.

Would BOS consider PIT's 2023 1st for Swayman?

As others mentioned, a hypothetical offer sheet couldn't happen until July 1st (ie after the 2023 Draft), so the compensatory picks would be for 2024. PIttsburgh is missing its own 2024 3rd round pick, so that limits the range of offer sheet they could do.

Boston dealt Dougie Hamilton at the 2015 Draft (#15+#45+#52) presumably worried that he'd be an offer sheet target and 2016 crop wasn't expected to be nearly as deep as 2015. They reportedly tried to shop Hamilton to Arizona for the 3rd overall pick (to land Noah Hanifin) but the Coyotes countered with their 2016 1st instead. Similarly it seems like the 2023 Draft is stronger than the 2024 Draft, so perhaps Boston would want a pick this year rather than next if they knew they didn't have the cap space to keep Swayman.