I was thinking about the avs today.
They put up a historically bad season in 2017 that landed them makar. They had mackinnon, landeskog, rantannen, duchene, O'reilly and johnson on that squad. They didnt make the playoffs in the three previous seasons.
All those guys had like 300 games under their belt at that time of that stinker season, and they really really sucked.
I think that's a positive comparable of a rebuild that took a while to put it together but took off after some growing pains.
So my question: how common is that?
If you look at teams with successful rebuilds, how long did it take them to find their stride?
How long until we know if we're seeing growing pains or a roster that isn't going to get there?
I believe in this extremely talented roster we've got. But what do the comparables tell us here?
But what do you see as the sweet spot when we know if this core can do it or if we don't have enough "escape velocity" to get there?That Avalanche core of MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Duchene and O'Reilly had more success than this core has had, when they were the same age.
They made the playoffs in 13/14. MacKinnon was 18, Duchene was 22, Landeskog was 20 and O'Reilly was 22. Got to game 7 against Minnesota.
They missed the playoffs the next two years, but still had a combined record above .500.
They bottomed out that one year in 16/17, after Roy quit just before camp, but quickly recovered after that season. Drafting a generational defenseman then propelled them into being what they are now.
I don't know if it's a good comparison. We're looking more like the Hall-era Oilers, at this point.
That oilers era is one of the worst examples of a rebuild failure. Our 3-4-5 picks of Tim, sandy and brady have already far eclipsed the 1-1-1-7 of yak, hall, Nuge and Nurse.That Avalanche core of MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Duchene and O'Reilly had more success than this core has had, when they were the same age.
They made the playoffs in 13/14. MacKinnon was 18, Duchene was 22, Landeskog was 20 and O'Reilly was 22. Got to game 7 against Minnesota.
They missed the playoffs the next two years, but still had a combined record above .500.
They bottomed out that one year in 16/17, after Roy quit just before camp, but quickly recovered after that season. Drafting a generational defenseman then propelled them into being what they are now.
I don't know if it's a good comparison. We're looking more like the Hall-era Oilers, at this point.
He was drafted two years earlier and forwards tend to be ready quicker, he ended up being a regular a year after being drafted, Chabot took two. So he's had 3 extra years, and has been far more healthy. He's a perfectly fine 4th liner, it's not really that surprisingCurtis Lazar has played +100 more NHL games then Thomas Chabot. makes no sense
That oilers era is one of the worst examples of a rebuild failure. Our 3-4-5 picks of Tim, sandy and brady have already far eclipsed the 1-1-1-7 of yak, hall, Nuge and Nurse.
I don't think it's fair to compare any team to that mess.
I get what you're saying but when they signed everybody was happy, the same thing with Tkachuk, Stutzle and Sanderson, everyone was praising Dorion. It's always easy to criticize after but when those contracts were signed everyone was pretty excited.Try to maintain a straight face and tell me that this core is legit.. Please.
Norris 8m?? Where
Chabot 8m?? How and why
I liked all the contracts at the time, with the exception of Norris. That one never made sense.I get what you're saying but when they signed everybody was happy, the same thing with Tkachuk, Stutzle and Sanderson, everyone was praising Dorion. It's always easy to criticize after but when those contracts were signed everyone was pretty excited.
I was not happy about Norris, and I've been exposing Chabot since 2020.I get what you're saying but when they signed everybody was happy, the same thing with Tkachuk, Stutzle and Sanderson, everyone was praising Dorion. It's always easy to criticize after but when those contracts were signed everyone was pretty excited.
The Hall era Oilers had multiple 1oa picks. We're not anything like that.That Avalanche core of MacKinnon, Landeskog, Rantanen, Duchene and O'Reilly had more success than this core has had, when they were the same age.
They made the playoffs in 13/14. MacKinnon was 18, Duchene was 22, Landeskog was 20 and O'Reilly was 22. Got to game 7 against Minnesota.
They missed the playoffs the next two years, but still had a combined record above .500.
They bottomed out that one year in 16/17, after Roy quit just before camp, but quickly recovered after that season. Drafting a generational defenseman then propelled them into being what they are now.
I don't know if it's a good comparison. We're looking more like the Hall-era Oilers, at this point.
The Hall era Oilers had multiple 1oa picks. We're not anything like that.