Huffer
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Yet how is the hell is that different than right now? Right now they must have a terrible supporting cast since they can't make playoffs as it is.
I agree, that's why I asked what does it buy us if we drop one group to go with the next? That second group just ends up in the same position as the group before, no supporting cast. Why can't the team try to keep the Ladd core together and actually give them a chance? How is it totally indicative that they can not win it all when they haven't been given a team around them?
You are talking about most of our core being ~30 while taking the FIRST STEPS into playoff action. By the time we should be taking steps into Stanley Cup contention, we looking at a core around 30-33, not feasible. That's also when the young guys will be getting big raises, to go with all major players being UFA eligible...it'll never work, IMO. It's just too late at that point. They should already by a SC team. You don't just turn it around in your late twenties and go from missing playoffs to Stanley Cup contenders, you need to show the steps towards progress, or you become Toronto.
No, I was saying we could make the playoffs next year, (or even this year), and start being a SC contender when Ladd and Wheeler are 28, Little is 27, Enstrom is 30 and Buff is 29. Have the Canucks not been contenders with a core over 30? Detroit? All I am saying is that as an alternative option to get rid of the Ladd core if they can't be a SC contender this year scenario, is another scenario when the org keeps them for at least 3 years or so to see what the team can actually do when the guys behind that Ladd core are not glorified AHLrs.
If serious progress into playoff fodder team is not made, it's time for a serious retooling. I am not talking selling the team, sucking for years and years for first overall picks, but clearly this group is not a winning group. I know it's only "year 2" of Winnipeg Jets hockey, but this group has been here and is not getting the job done. What moves need to be made? Not really sure, this core still has a little time to show they can be it. But not much, and the clock is ticking very very fast.
I am not happy with mediocrity. I want a Stanley Cup. If this team is far enough out of it by the deadline that they are considering selling Antropov and Hainsey, then Pavelec, Byfuglien, Enstrom, Little, hell even Kane and Burmistrov might be on the block, IMO. Not saying you sell all of them, but time for a retooling for sure.
We will just have to agree to disagree on how long this group has had to show that they can do it, and what kind of support they have been given. Wheeler has been on the team for 1.5 years. Ladd and Buff have been around for 2 years. Doesn't seem like much time to me to decide that they can't get it done (especially with they help they get). Seems strange to think Kane and Burmistrov are part of the problem considering their age and roles so far. Of course if a trade makes the team better they should make it, but trading those guys (along with the Ladd core), seems like going backward to me.
By your last statement I'm not sure if you are advocating a "retooling" or a "rebuild" should the Jets not make the playoffs this year.
I can defiantly see the merits of retooling (deal away UFA's not going to return, see what the market is for a guy like Buff is if you think you have depth in the org, maybe see what the market is for a guy like Little if we have org depth, etc), but I just don't see the need for a fire-sale of Ladd, Wheeler, Little, Enstrom, Buff, and the youngsters, until we see what they can do when the org actually surrounds them with a decent supporting cast.