I've seen that meme here and there around Twitter (one was about the Philly ENG situation and Mariko's translation was "The Anjin is upset about hockey") but it's kind of spot on. Her translations were definitely not precise going either way.
It does. I found the names and relations of the characters to be a lot to keep track of in the first few episodes, too, but eventually realized that there's only a handful of principle characters that everyone talks about and I didn't really need to remember the rest. Even after 9 episodes, I can't tell you what some of the side characters' names are. For example, it beats me what the names of the priest and Ishido's wife are, but it's usually pretty clear when they're being talked about.Gave it a chance, 2 eps in and I'm enjoying it. Though the names of the characters is still a bit confusing but I guess that gets easier over time.
Good to know!It does. I found the names and relations of the characters to be a lot to keep track of in the first few episodes, too, but eventually realized that there's only a handful of principle characters that everyone talks about and I didn't really need to remember the rest. Even after 9 episodes, I can't tell you what some of the side characters' names are. For example, it beats me what the names of the priest and Ishido's wife are, but it's usually pretty clear when they're being talked about.
I googled a Shogun family tree with pics and names of the characters. Helped a lot and I don't think this has any Game of Thrones level family connection secrets so there's no danger of spoilers.Gave it a chance, 2 eps in and I'm enjoying it. Though the names of the characters is still a bit confusing but I guess that gets easier over time.
Who everyone is can be confusing but it makes sense over the time once you see them over and overGave it a chance, 2 eps in and I'm enjoying it. Though the names of the characters is still a bit confusing but I guess that gets easier over time.
That's the one thing, on reflection I probably disliked about the episode.Fantastic ending and thought it was a beautiful ending it tbh.
Only a couple things im confused about but
What was Toranaga testing Blackthorne at the end when he decided to burn his ship? What did he want to find it? Also If Blackthorne dropped Marikos cross necklace into the water how did he have it during the flashback scenes?
Idk I was a little underwhelmed with the last few episodes. The story is still good but I was hoping for all this lead up to lead up to somethin bigger. Like I get that Toranaga wins but I would've liked to see the battle and not just be told about it. I think Ishido realizing nobody is showing to support him and he's been played would've been a huge TV moment. Instead we just got told about it which was pretty disappointing to me. I get there may have been budget restrictions though.
I was one of the biggest supporters in this thread about how good the show's dialogue and plot was and I stand by that. But it really needed some action and more "payoff" at some point. If we get some insane samurai fights with even more emotion from the characters they've made us so invested in, I think this show would've been an all time great. Instead it's just very good for me. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in that after its start. But nonetheless still a very good show I'm obviously glad to have watched. They did a fantastic job with this one overall and I'm happy to have watched and gotten to discuss it with the posters here.
The thing is Kings or Shoguns etc. have always been like this for centuries. They care not who gets hurt or killed if it further their goals.That's the one thing, on reflection I probably disliked about the episode.
I read it as Toranaga testing Blackthorne's loyalty, allegiance, and moral fiber. Like I get that Toranaga is distrusting of the Church and the Portuguese and he needed to see that Blackthorne is a foreigner who really could be trusted, and I get that Toranaga is not above expending human life to get what he wants, but there were easier ways to test the strength of Blackthorne's character that didn't have to involve killing innocents in the name of a ruse.
I'm not sure if that's straight from the book, but it feels like a misstep. I'm fine with Toranaga as an anti-hero, but being that wasteful and callous with the lives of his own loyal subjects is a step too far imo.
Not to detract from how you individually feel about the ending, just for me I kind of understood that the final battle was never really the point. I'm sure if they had more money they could have shown more like you said, but the most powerful moments have always been the losses of life of those loyal to Toranaga who give their lives to advance his goals and how that ripples and affects everyone, especially Toranaga. The finale is mournful almost from start to finish following Mariko's death. So, to me, the point of it all wasn't the final fight or the result, but the human cost it took Toranaga to get there with all the pain it caused so many.
I obviously would've loved to have seen more of the final battle too but if that's cut for the expense of the more emotional human moments, I was okay with it. I thought the fake out flash forwards with Blackthorne on his deathbed, clutching Mariko's rosary only to see that it was some fantasy he let go of, letting himself move on after Mariko's death (and accept his destiny in Japan) and having that punctuated by Fuji telling him that his should be the last hands to hold her. I know it's recency bias but I haven't seen such heartfelt and touching storytelling like that on TV in a long time. If I had to choose between that kind of storytelling and some big budget epic battle (that very easily could've been unremarkable even if we did get more of it), I'd happily take the former (though I would've been happier with both).
I get that. It's more realistic but felt contradictory to him saying his plan was more peaceful.The thing is Kings or Shoguns etc. have always been like this for centuries. They care not who gets hurt or killed if it further their goals.
I don't think there will be a new season cause it seems they have basically used the source material. Though I guess that doesn't completely rule it out, like The LeftoversHonestly, the way the series ended there is going to be another season
They cannot end a 10 episode miniseries like that, and the hype and fanfare is just too much
Too many unanswered questions they could easily flesh out into a season. Such asHow did Blackthorn get home, how did he get those swords
IF I recall the creators have said right from the start it would be a not so mini series. I guess enough money can get anything to change but I wonder if they would be able to keep the same tone etc. without any existing source material.Apparently, though lack of budget was one reason for the ending, the main one is that the writers wanted to stay true to the novel's narrative style. I wondered if they downplayed the final confrontation because the novel did, and it sounds like that's the case.
That might also throw more cold water on the idea of a continuation, because if the writers chose not to show it because the novel didn't, then it doesn't seem like they'd be interested in showing it in a second season, either.Why Shogun Episode 10 Ends Without Showing The Actual War Explained By Creators
Shogun episode 10 was the season finale.screenrant.com