Trading for Petry means that Letang is 100% gone.
Where did y’all get that rumor from btw?
This needs to be repeated more often. The players are not 'overcoached' with how they generate offense; if anything, they're undercoached.
I mean these are all good points and if you really feel this team is a strong contender the next few years then you sign Rust, sure…I don’t however…
here’s the other thing: I think Geno and Letang deserve to return for the next couple years…just on the forward side alone then we have Sid and G and Carter who will be old as the hills…I really don’t want our wings to have age on them too with that group…
we should be looking to move out wingers like Rust and Zucker who are 30+ and bring in younger legs…we definitely aren’t going to find a player as good as Rust but who knows…maybe Nylander, Poulin etc gets a shot, maybe we make a trade for some aged 25 winger or less…having cap space might let us be a player for a RFA who’s team can’t qualify him or a team looking to dump a higher salaried younger player…
Do we know if we can just pull a Kucherov with Zucker? Core muscle surgery can supposedly take 3 months but not sure how shutting him down without explicitly shutting him down would be able to work. Not sure if they can pull that off or not. It gets fun if we can. If scouts and people that would know can tell if Petry's issues are actually just emotional fallout from off ice stuff I would love to do something like
PIT:
M. Matheson
S. Poulin
N. Legare
2nd rounder
FOR
MTL:
J. Petry (full price)
Brett Kulak (@50%)
and then maybe see if GMJRs adoration of Marino and Kap can screw Vancouver with something like
PIT:
J. Marino
K. Kapanen
J. Riikola
C. DeSmith
P.O. Joseph or different future like a pick instead
FOR
VAN:
C. Garland
J.T. Miller
L. Schenn
J. Halak (retention via another team whatevers necessary I guess)
MTL/Petry and VAN/GMJRconnection are two situations where I think we could have some leverage despite our poor sellable assets that could lead to a significant swing if capitalized on right. Its definitely a gamble due to Petrys age but I'm at the point where Im actually worried Marino is Maatta 2.0 as much as that kills me to entertain. We need to either see if getting him another Jack Johnson blankie like Giordano or Chiarot fixes him or we need to get someone we arent terrrified to put on the ice in the playoffs against tough competition.
EDIT:
Guentzel - Crosby - Garland
Miller - Malkin - Rust
Zucker - Rodrigues - Carter
Z. A. R. - Blueger - McGinn
Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Petry
Kulak - Schenn
Jarry
Halak
Cmon
Seems realistic.
Do we know if we can just pull a Kucherov with Zucker? Core muscle surgery can supposedly take 3 months but not sure how shutting him down without explicitly shutting him down would be able to work. Not sure if they can pull that off or not. It gets fun if we can. If scouts and people that would know can tell if Petry's issues are actually just emotional fallout from off ice stuff I would love to do something like
PIT:
M. Matheson
S. Poulin
N. Legare
2nd rounder
FOR
MTL:
J. Petry (full price)
Brett Kulak (@50%)
and then maybe see if GMJRs adoration of Marino and Kap can screw Vancouver with something like
PIT:
J. Marino
K. Kapanen
J. Riikola
C. DeSmith
P.O. Joseph or different future like a pick instead
FOR
VAN:
C. Garland
J.T. Miller
L. Schenn
J. Halak (retention via another team whatevers necessary I guess)
MTL/Petry and VAN/GMJRconnection are two situations where I think we could have some leverage despite our poor sellable assets that could lead to a significant swing if capitalized on right. Its definitely a gamble due to Petrys age but I'm at the point where Im actually worried Marino is Maatta 2.0 as much as that kills me to entertain. We need to either see if getting him another Jack Johnson blankie like Giordano or Chiarot fixes him or we need to get someone we arent terrrified to put on the ice in the playoffs against tough competition.
EDIT:
Guentzel - Crosby - Garland
Miller - Malkin - Rust
Zucker - Rodrigues - Carter
Z. A. R. - Blueger - McGinn
Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Petry
Kulak - Schenn
Jarry
Halak
Cmon
Well good, since that's also what Sullivan's philosophy seems to be.Disagree. Guardiola, probably the best soccer/football coach in the world ATM says "my job is to get you to the attacking zone. Whatever you do there is up to you." I don't want my team over coached in the offensive zone.
I just don't get the perspective, mate. Even if you don't think we can compete, how does it make any sense to walk away from one of your most productive assets? It's here and now with Sid and Geno. The further down the line you go, the less likely we are to compete.
In any case I don't think we are a strong contender right now either. I think we are too bland to get there, even if we could beat anyone if ours stars are at their best, including Jarry. But I do think we are chemistry and a successful move or two away (plus health, obviously) from being right there.
If you want to stick with Geno and Letang (so do I), then you are win now. Right now. Rust has yet to turn 30, if his legs go at.... say 33... it is just unlikely to matter anymore. Maybe he still has something and we deal him with retention when we are past the days of Sid and Geno.
We are at our last shots with this core. You can argue they're past it, but I don't think anyone can argue that there are more shots down the line if we rebuild around them.
By all means change around the supporting cast, but if you aren't making a great return - or at least some sort of return! - on the few guys playing like stars, then I don't see any sense in letting them walk.
There is no reason guys showing promise from the farm should not get chances. If they show themselves ready, then you try to trade away older guys to make room. I've been on the Zohorna and Angello train since last year for instance, both because I think they add as much as some of the bottom 6'ers we have (though differently), but more so because I see them giving us something extra on an otherwise smallish and non-physical team. Some "hard to play" factor. Which we lack... so much.
But there is great difference between a guy like Zucker who has performed way below expectation after being acquired at a significant expense, and then Bryan Rust.
Again, if we had traded Rust before the season, I would have understood from an asset management point of view. But he is one of the only wo genuine top six wingers we have, and the added cap hit on him will conceivably be like 2.5 million more which he has richly deserved.
You make/save 4,75 million on replacing Zucker with Zohorna. You make another 1.1 million replacing ZAR with... whoever down there deserves it.
Maybe if you are thinking asset management like me, you see if you can get a meaningful asset/pick for Dumo (who is declining visibly, IMO) and see if POJ can swim and then there's 3 million there. And you look in UFA also, of course. For the next Ceci, etc.
Why do people want to move Matheson?
He's one of the better acquisitions we've had in the past 4 years.
It's tough to really gauge Petry on a miserable Habs team but he seems kinda shitty this season, and I don't know if we're in the best spot to gamble assets+cap/term on the guy rebounding at 34.
Dead horse and all, but I think we gotta gun for serious offensive punch if we're spending any significant assets on anything. Preferably a long-term solution, even if it costs us big in futures--though I know Hexturke have said they don't want to part with those.
Our list of acquisitions over the last 4 years hasn’t been impressive.Why do people want to move Matheson?
He's one of the better acquisitions we've had in the past 4 years.
Do we know if we can just pull a Kucherov with Zucker? Core muscle surgery can supposedly take 3 months but not sure how shutting him down without explicitly shutting him down would be able to work. Not sure if they can pull that off or not. It gets fun if we can. If scouts and people that would know can tell if Petry's issues are actually just emotional fallout from off ice stuff I would love to do something like
PIT:
M. Matheson
S. Poulin
N. Legare
2nd rounder
FOR
MTL:
J. Petry (full price)
Brett Kulak (@50%)
and then maybe see if GMJRs adoration of Marino and Kap can screw Vancouver with something like
PIT:
J. Marino
K. Kapanen
J. Riikola
C. DeSmith
P.O. Joseph or different future like a pick instead
FOR
VAN:
C. Garland
J.T. Miller
L. Schenn
J. Halak (retention via another team whatevers necessary I guess)
MTL/Petry and VAN/GMJRconnection are two situations where I think we could have some leverage despite our poor sellable assets that could lead to a significant swing if capitalized on right. Its definitely a gamble due to Petrys age but I'm at the point where Im actually worried Marino is Maatta 2.0 as much as that kills me to entertain. We need to either see if getting him another Jack Johnson blankie like Giordano or Chiarot fixes him or we need to get someone we arent terrrified to put on the ice in the playoffs against tough competition.
EDIT:
Guentzel - Crosby - Garland
Miller - Malkin - Rust
Zucker - Rodrigues - Carter
Z. A. R. - Blueger - McGinn
Dumoulin - Letang
Pettersson - Petry
Kulak - Schenn
Jarry
Halak
Cmon
f*** off
Two more things. P60 is not projected stats. It's stats relative to usage.
If you're gonna respond to multi paragraph posts with a 1 word post of "lol", like you're 13, don't ask me to continue conversations. I've already lost interest.Lol okay tiger.
And was Kap's usage not wildly different last year? Did we not have an extraordinarily strange season which is probably unduplicatable outside of a lockout year? Did injuries not gift Kap ice time and opportunities (like McCann) that he is not getting this year? How on earth are Kap's previous seasons in Toronto and his current season comparable to last year, outside of the fact that they were in the NHL?
The East was terrible last year, especially the teams who were bottom feeders like NJD, NYR, BUF, and PHI. Like I don't know how you can honestly compare the 4 conferences?
I'm fine with saying Kap thrives on different usages than he's getting this season, but that's not what you're saying, no?
If you're gonna respond to multi paragraph posts with a 1 word post of "lol", like you're 13, don't ask me to continue conversations. I've already lost interest.