Speculation: Offseason coaching thread: Should they stay or should they go?

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AuroraBorealis

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Yeah and this is exactly what I'd criticize Sullivan for as well, especially McCann and ERod. I don't think Sullivan pushed out Blueger, Matheson or Gaudreau, but I absolutely think he pushed out McCann and ERod. Hell, you can throw Ian Cole on that list as well as another good player Sullivan wrongly pushed out.

Imagine this team right now with McCann on Malkin's LW, ERod jumping around the top-9 and Cole as Letang's partner (more in the 2019-2022 window than now). I think they'd be far better off than what they ended up getting for those guys when they left.
McCann should be RW on PP1, and Crosby LW.
Sid's always been good on the left side. That would make everything less predictable.
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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Read it and weep people…our young players are doomed…lol…it’s DK’s Friday Insider titled the “Sullivan-Dubas bond has never been stronger”

Can't wait for the next top-3 pick(s) this team lands to be told to play the opposition to a draw and not try anything too fancy out there.
 

Malkinstheman

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Read it and weep people…our young players are doomed…lol…it’s DK’s Friday Insider titled the “Sullivan-Dubas bond has never been stronger”

Very curious that Penguins media only puts out hit pieces (Hextall) or puff pieces (Sullivan is God). Absolutely nothing in the way of actual scoops or reporting. Almost as if they only serve as the teams PR
 

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Dubas can be in love with Sully all he wants, but the bottom line speaks loudest. If the Pens are in danger of missing the playoffs again next season and Dubas/FSG think the roster should make it, Sully is gonna be out on his ass.
 

Rudy Russo

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From DK's Friday post:

Mike Sullivan's
genuine ambition is to guide the Penguins through their next great wave.

Kyle Dubas' genuine ambition is precisely the same, including the part where Sullivan's behind the bench.

A series of conversations over the past week, all conducted toward this all-hockey edition of Insider, has me wholly convinced of the accuracy of those two statements. And that's because, from everything I was told -- and it was a ton -- has me convinced that the bond, the mutual trust, the communication between Sullivan and Dubas ... it's all become stronger than ever.

Rather than spell all this out in storyboard form, I'll share a bunch of related bullets on this subject:

• Yes, these two really did reach an agreement on the firing of Todd Reirden. And I'm not just saying that because of Dubas' wording in the team's press release that both he and Sullivan "agree that this change was in the best interest of the team moving forward.” Emotions were sky-high on Long Island the night the season ended -- I was there and felt it -- and Dubas made the decision soon thereafter that it was no time to react rashly on any front. Reirden, the associate head coach, and the rest of Sullivan's staff were told it'd take a few days to determine their fate. That came at the two-week mark, only slightly longer than it takes most teams, and it came as the direct result of meetings between Dubas and Sullivan. Right to the end.

• Never at any stage of those meetings did any discussions become difficult, according to not one, not two but three individuals with direct knowledge, one of whom would have nothing to gain by saying so.

• Sullivan really won over Dubas through ... not so much the final-month surge but far more his relentless work ethic, his commitment to the team and the players and, yeah, his willingness to adapt and change as needed. The latter isn't to suggest that adaptation and change was imposed upon him, either. He just did that. And he did, as I've been writing for months, way more of that than might've been evident to the casual observer.

• Chief among those was to alter strategy and/or personnel choices with late leads, including the final minute of a period. Those didn't always work, of course, as was painfully obvious. But the seemingly common stance that Sullivan's too stubborn with his system was never accepted internally or, for that matter, by anyone peripherally familiar with hockey Xs and Os. Powerful case in point: Review film of any game over the final month and watch the Penguins' centers -- even Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin -- backpedaling to clog the neutral zone upon a clear loss of possession in the attacking zone. They might as well have blared on the big board 'STRATEGY CHANGE' to let everyone know.

• Sullivan had virtually no relationship with Dubas' predecessor, Ron Hextall. Nor was his input sought on significant moves. No one on the inside can put forth this example out loud, but I can and will: Anyone who thinks for a split-second that Sullivan would've wanted a player in the mold of Mikael Granlund would be out of their freaking minds. But Sullivan and his staff were as floored as anyone at the Granlund acquisition. There are enough examples like this to fill a month's worth of Insiders.

• In the starkest possible contrast, by all accounts, Dubas has consistently sought Sullivan's input, even on the most minor moves. The communication's been constant and healthy, to the extent that Sullivan's often told Dubas he simply trusts him to get the move right.

• Both men are embracing the challenge not only of elevating the team back into contention through Crosby's remaining years but also beyond. It's openly talked about, that period of molding a group of young players into the next era of Pittsburgh hockey, concurrently with the rest. And again by all accounts, they're on the same page with how this can unfold, as well.

• Sullivan's three-year, $15.5 million extension that starts with the coming season is among the NHL's most lucrative and, while there might be a suitor somewhere who'd outpay it, no approach has been made from any other team, and none would be considered by Dubas and, more importantly, Sullivan. The latter's made his loyalty known to all concerned. He wants to win again here.

Not sure what out of this subject I wouldn't have covered, but hey, any other questions?

On to other material:

• The awful power play was, predictably, the predominant factor in Reirden's firing, but it didn't help that he couldn't come close to succeeding in getting good play out of Ryan Graves. Working with the defensemen has long been a Reirden ... not just specialty but a strength. Not with this one.

• No timetable on a replacement.

• No doors have been slammed by either the Penguins or Jake Guentzel regarding a return, but neither side ever seems to express any optimism in my conversations. Might be because his price can only continue to go up and up and up as he keeps performing as well as he already has in these Stanley Cup playoffs.
 
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Andy99

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Dubas can be in love with Sully all he wants, but the bottom line speaks loudest. If the Pens are in danger of missing the playoffs again next season and Dubas/FSG think the roster should make it, Sully is gonna be out on his ass.
Nah bro…he’s ushering in our next wave of great players…he’s gonna show them how to play right: 8 min a night, 2 min on the PK, benched when you actually do anything creative…nothing fancy, throw chest snipes at the goalie and a lot of speedy north-south shit…good thing our finishing is league worst…just how we like it
 
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Dennis Reynolds

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From DK's Friday post:

• Sullivan really won over Dubas through ... his willingness to adapt and change as needed. The latter isn't to suggest that adaptation and change was imposed upon him, either. He just did that. And he did, as I've been writing for months, way more of that than might've been evident to the casual observer.
I can't.
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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The changes were so slight they were barely noticeable, and surprisingly, they resulted in basically zero change from the past couple of season's worth of dogshit. Celebrate the genius!
 
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DesertedPenguin

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Read it and weep people…our young players are doomed…lol…it’s DK’s Friday Insider titled the “Sullivan-Dubas bond has never been stronger”

I trust Dejan less than Rossi and Yohe. Rossi and Yohe have their issues, but it was pretty laughable that Dejan was beating the drum calling FSG absentee owners in their first year and it turned out he just didn't recognize the FSG leadership when they were in town.
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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DK's also the consummate professional who, when he got wind the Pens were shopping Despres, immediately went to saying the dude had crippling gambling/alcoholism issues, right? :laugh:

How is it that this team's sports media folk are almost all complete dogshit? :laugh:
 
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HandshakeLine

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I trust Dejan less than Rossi and Yohe. Rossi and Yohe have their issues, but it was pretty laughable that Dejan was beating the drum calling FSG absentee owners in their first year and it turned out he just didn't recognize the FSG leadership when they were in town.
Yeah that’s the reason not to trust Dejan
 
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