Oscar The Grouch
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Truly excited to see what he does in the playoffs this year I think he is going to be scoring a goal a game
Did you start following the NHL this season?
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Truly excited to see what he does in the playoffs this year I think he is going to be scoring a goal a game
Honestly, Stamkos doesn't get enough respect these days period. I watched a highlight video yesterday showing all 100 of Kucherov's assists and, even if he's not as dynamic as he once was overall, Stamkos still has an absolutely disgusting one-time bomb from the slot.
40 goals this season for the seventh time in his career which is more 40 goal seasons than Jagr or Yzerman among others.
Also interesting that Ovechkin has won 3 Rockets since Matthews has entered the league. (age 32-34 seasons)Same number of rockets as Ovie at the same point in their careers. Will be interesting to see how they match up from here. Ovie won 7 of the next 8 (and 4 in a row) starting from his 8th season (which Matthews is currently in).
That's really going to be what dictates where Matthews ends up all time. The remarkable thing about Ovie is he came in as a guy who would score off the rush and he adapted into a guy who could continue to score in an opportunistic way as he got older. Not unlike Jordan developing a midrange game later on that he didn't have in the Air Jordan days.Also interesting that Ovechkin has won 3 Rockets since Matthews has entered the league. (age 32-34 seasons)
Hopefully we see Matthews doing likewise when he gets into the back half of his career after 30.
Yes it’s very hard to know and maybe Matthews doesn’t want to play into his late 30s or even 40 years old.That's really going to be what dictates where Matthews ends up all time. The remarkable thing about Ovie is he came in as a guy who would score off the rush and he adapted into a guy who could continue to score in an opportunistic way as he got older. Not unlike Jordan developing a midrange game later on that he didn't have in the Air Jordan days.
Auston already is more of an opportunistic scorer than most great scorers. He isn't going to go end to end or go through teams. So maybe he ages we'll. Hard to know really.
Nothing wrong with Matthews. He would flourish just fine on many other teams. McDavid and MacKinnon could join the Leafs, and they too would struggle to get somewhere in the playoffs.
I don't think that changes anything I said. Don't be surprised if he winds up with another team later in his career and lights it up. And the Leafs getting different faces in their core - even players who have accomplished things elsewhere - isn't going to magically fix everything for them either.His goal scoring takes a 34% hit from the regular season to the playoffs. He’s a main culprit when it comes to their struggles and no one should make excuses for him.
I don't think that changes anything I said. Don't be surprised if he winds up with another team later in his career and lights it up. And the Leafs getting different faces in their core - even players who have accomplished things elsewhere - isn't going to magically fix everything for them either.
His 6 hat tricks this season are all against non playoff teams:
Anaheim
Philadelphia
Calgary
Buffalo
Minnesota
Montreal
In his last 10 regular season games vs playoff teams he has 6 goals in 10 games. That's basically a 50 goals pace (instead of the 70).
His goal scoring takes a 34% hit from the regular season to the playoffs. He’s a main culprit when it comes to their struggles and no one should make excuses for him.
I have Crosby as the 5th best player of all-time even as of today and even though I think McDavid passes him for that spot within 3-4 years, I have Crosby resting comfortably at #6 for a long. long time.Was reading this thread and thinking Crosby should be getting some love on this thread. Nearly 600 goals while piling up 1,000 assists is pretty compelling, but then checking the list of goals scored, Stamkos isn't too far behind Crosby with 3 fewer seasons(although Crosby did miss a number of games). Considering the era they have played in, the goal scoring from both guys is quite impressive, for different reasons.
I have Crosby as the 5th best player of all-time even as of today and even though I think McDavid passes him for that spot within 3-4 years, I have Crosby resting comfortably at #6 for a long. long time.
Stamkos however, I see people still debating if he's even a HOF'er, I see him left out of top 30 players lists, I see people claiming Kucherov had basically no help this season. Stamkos has become the quietest superstar in the league.
Above blame? Maybe not. But necessarily any different than if any other star player around the league were plopped in his shoes on this team? Much less convinced of that. I don't think there's anything uniquely flawed about Matthews that suggests he is less equipped mentally to get it done compared to his peers. We're attributing far too much credit to an individual to overcome what is a wider issue.Okay, just wanted to make sure that I correctly understood he is above blame for you, no matter how much of a drop off he experiences between the regular season and playoffs.
Most people dont make a big deal about secondary assists. Has been in the game forever but its a big deal now? Move on.Most people value goals over secondary assists. Just saying.
Through Crosby's first 49 playoff games he had:Matthews' first 8 seasons
562GP, 368G - .654G/GP 53.4 Goals per 82
Ovechkin first 8 seasons
601GP 371 G - .617 G/GP 50.6 Goals per 82
Matthews first 8 playoffs
51G 22 G .413 G/GP - 35.7 Goals per 82
Ovechkin first 8 playoffs
58GP 31 G .534 G/GP - 43.8 Goals per 82
Matthews goal production drops off about 35% in the post season while Ov dropped off about 15%.
35% is significant.
So sad when people have to try to cherrypick stats to say the best scorer in hockey (currently) isn't that good.His 6 hat tricks this season are all against non playoff teams:
Anaheim
Philadelphia
Calgary
Buffalo
Minnesota
Montreal
In his last 10 regular season games vs playoff teams he has 6 goals in 10 games. That's basically a 50 goals pace (instead of the 70).
He is the best scorer no doubt about it. I simply question his play in adversity against good teams. Which would explain his playoff performances.So sad when people have to try to cherrypick stats to say the best scorer in hockey (currently) isn't that good.