Player Discussion Josh Anderson - The Rene Bourque Edition

[Natey]

Hold up.
Hold up.
Hold up.

I am a leaf fan weighing in on this discussion.

OK say what you want, but isn't he a Leaf killer? Doesn't that hold any weight in this discussion?

He could score every game against you for the rest of his career and he'd still be a terrible hockey player.

 

[sampollock]

Bench this overpaid weak-minded lazy ace player now for the rest of the year

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Still 3 more years at 5.5M... he's not going to get better as a player.

Only good news, he can't be worst than this year.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

Still 3 more years at 5.5M... he's not going to get better as a player.

Only good news, he can't be worst than this year.

I disagree

For part of this year he actually looked like he was trying

Lately its clear he doesnt give a flying faaawkk.

So he could do that for an entire yr instead

 

[Tyson]

Still 3 more years at 5.5M... he's not going to get better as a player.

Only good news, he can't be worst than this year.

He can be worse, he showed that last night.

 

[OldCraig71]

I don't know what's up with him. He's out there skating 40 km a night doing absolutely nothing and in all honesty I don't know if I've ever seen a player skate as fast and as far as Josh Anderson with so little to show for it.

 

[Tyson]

I don't know what's up with him. He's out there skating 40 km a night doing absolutely nothing and in all honesty I don't know if I've ever seen a player skate as fast and as far as Josh Anderson with so little to show for it.

I honestly think that whatever system or concept MSL has instituted Josh Anderson doesn't have the hockey IQ to be able to play in that way.

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Miller Time]

You said same thing about Armia last year

Did I?

I honestly don't recall that. I've generally been higher on Armia than most around here.

I honestly think that whatever system or concept MSL has instituted Josh Anderson doesn't have the hockey IQ to be able to play in that way.

100%

 

[Big Lurk]

props to people shitting on me last offseason when I said he was nothing special and that contract was god tier trash.

Better not see an injury excuse coming up in the next posts.

40 points winger overpaid. Most of the time when I say shit like this the player in question goes ham but with him im not even worried.

Unfortunately, this post has aged like fine wine.

 

[themilosh]

Unfortunately, this post has aged like fine wine.

All of the stench from MB is still lingering on our team. God awful management in every sense of the word, but hey if I ever own a billion dollar company i'd love to annoint a High School educated ex meat head hockey player to take care of my $100M P/L. Have you seen his pipes? He must know what he is doing.

Makes one understand why nepotism is a business killer... starting with a kid who happens to have the last name Molson..

 

[Sorinth]

I honestly think that whatever system or concept MSL has instituted Josh Anderson doesn't have the hockey IQ to be able to play in that way.

Yeah it doesn't seem to be working so hopefully they can get to finding a better balance point for him if they can't move him. MSL is right in that it's better to adjust your speed to the situation instead of skating as fast as possible all the time, but having said that there are still times when you can and should go all out. Anderson seems to struggle with recognizing those situations and so is still going slower all the time and misses out on the opportunities where he should go fast. It's probably better for him to get back to going all out all the time even if that means not recognizing the times he should go slower.

 

[badi]

How much is a buyout ?

 

[Scintillating10]

It's probably mental with Anderson. Similar to Armia last year. Coming off major injury never got quite right and lost confidence. Anderson scored 20 goals in 69 games in each of last 2 seasons. He shouldn't of fell off like this.

 

[ReHabs]

It's probably mental with Anderson. Similar to Armia last year. Coming off major injury never got quite right and lost confidence. Anderson scored 20 goals in 69 games in each of last 2 seasons. He shouldn't have fell off like this.

20 goals in the current high scoring era, with the amount of TOI he got, is not particularly impressive

But his problem isn’t emotional, it’s more that he doesn’t work well within MSL’s “make reads not system plays” approach. I can imagine he can’t simplify his game much more than it already is so he can’t really make any other adjustments to spark a change.

I think he has it in him to show a lot more. Not sure why it hasn’t happened yet.

 

[Team_Spirit]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1740556272468885862

 

[Hoochi Papa]

20 goals in the current high scoring era, with the amount of TOI he got, is not particularly impressive

But his problem isn’t emotional, it’s more that he doesn’t work well within MSL’s “make reads not system plays” approach. I can imagine he can’t simplify his game much more than it already is so he can’t really make any other adjustments to spark a change.

I think he has it in him to show a lot more. Not sure why it hasn’t happened yet.

His amazing career year produced 47 points. That was him at wish very best. He was always a middle of the pack energy player who looks amazing every now and then when he skates through the rink for a goal. It's just that he's not actually a bull that scores with will, who goes through skaters like a locomotive, an unstoppable beast of a man. When we take away these rare moments, he's just a really bad hockey player with size.

To people who force feed Anderson narrative, everything he does is absolutely magic. Like can you believe it, this injury prone, low hockey IQ, aging power forward can score 20 goals. When he's on, playing top-6 minutes. Don't tell me he's not a beast, scoring like talented a veteran player on PTO. But those aren't just any kind of goals, oh no no, Josh Anderson scores superman goals. Something that can not be replaced. His goals are very special goals that only a handful of power forwards can score. He's the X-factor, playing X-factor Special Hockey, completely different game.

 

[ReHabs]

His amazing career year produced 47 points. That was him at wish very best. He was always a middle of the pack energy player who looks amazing every now and then when he skates through the rink for a goal. It's just that he's not actually a bull that scores with will, who goes through skaters like a locomotive, an unstoppable beast of a man. When we take away these rare moments, he's just a really bad hockey player with size.

To people who force feed Anderson narrative, everything he does is absolutely magic. Like can you believe it, this injury prone, low hockey IQ, aging power forward can score 20 goals. When he's on, playing top-6 minutes. Don't tell me he's not a beast, scoring like talented a veteran player on PTO. But those aren't just any kind of goals, oh no no, Josh Anderson scores superman goals. Something that can not be replaced. His goals are very special goals that only a handful of power forwards can score. He's the X-factor, playing X-factor Special Hockey, completely different game.

Anderson is the clearest example of why scouts and teams shouldn't fall in love with questionable IQ large-frame players. He's a very good outcome for a 4th round pick but like Armia (first round pick) before him, it's simply a crap shoot.

It's one thing to impose your physical strengths against teenagers who have zero shot at professional hockey in Jr Hockey, it's another to have the mentality and endurance to do so against professional hockey players at the highest level. I really don't like drafting physical players in the first round because it's almost always a let down.

And the Habs should have known what Anderson is, and what he isn't, before they acquired him and signed him to that insane contract. Oh well.

 

[Hoochi Papa]

Anderson is the clearest example of why scouts and teams shouldn't fall in love with questionable IQ large-frame players. He's a very good outcome for a 4th round pick but like Armia (first round pick) before him, it's simply a crap shoot.

It's one thing to impose your physical strengths against teenagers who have zero shot at professional hockey in Jr Hockey, it's another to have the mentality and endurance to do so against professional hockey players at the highest level. I really don't like drafting physical players in the first round because it's almost always a let down.

And the Habs should have known what Anderson is, and what he isn't, before they acquired him and signed him to that insane contract. Oh well.

Josh Anderson and Brendan Gallagher contracts are the Masterclass of Idiocy. It was so obvious that their brand of hockey won't age well. Anderson was already injury prone. Lengths of these contracts are absolutely insane, a double barrel shotgun shot in the foot. As someone who has been pro tank for several years, I've learned to appreciate these contracts. These type of cap anchors make the difference between picking bottom 5 and somewhere between 10th-14th. Replace either of them with a player worth the salary and this tank would've been a bust.

 

[ReHabs]

Josh Anderson and Brendan Gallagher contracts are the Masterclass of Idiocy. It was so obvious that their brand of hockey won't age well. Anderson was already injury prone. Lengths of these contracts are absolutely insane, a double barrel shotgun shot in the foot. As someone who has been pro tank for several years, I've learned to appreciate these contracts. These type of cap anchors make the difference between picking bottom 5 and somewhere between 10th-14th. Replace either of them with a player worth the salary and this tank would've been a bust.

Gallagher had a slightly better season this past season but due to their catastrophically bad speed/stamina, injury history, and/or physical play, overall both of them could be replaced by generic 1m cap-hit players with better outcomes on the ice. It's simply crazy how badly Bergevin bungled it.

 

[Skip Bayless]

Josh Anderson and Brendan Gallagher contracts are the Masterclass of Idiocy. It was so obvious that their brand of hockey won't age well. Anderson was already injury prone. Lengths of these contracts are absolutely insane, a double barrel shotgun shot in the foot. As someone who has been pro tank for several years, I've learned to appreciate these contracts. These type of cap anchors make the difference between picking bottom 5 and somewhere between 10th-14th. Replace either of them with a player worth the salary and this tank would've been a bust.

We would have traded those players to enable the tank.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

who bumped this thread?! you reminded me we still had this dude.

 

[Egresch]

We might get the most expensive 4th line in history next season: Gallagher-Dvorak-Anderson for just 16.45M.

 

[BLONG7]

We might get the most expensive 4th line in history next season: Gallagher-Dvorak-Anderson for just 16.45M.

Can't imagine why Bergevin is out in LA running for coffee and bagels......

All things considered, I do think Andy will have a bit of a comeback season next year.
The only way we get rid of him, is to retain salary.................so we are probably stuck with him and Gally who's contract is more of an anchor.

 

[LaP]

props to people shitting on me last offseason when I said he was nothing special and that contract was god tier trash.

Better not see an injury excuse coming up in the next posts.

40 points winger overpaid. Most of the time when I say shit like this the player in question goes ham but with him im not even worried.

He's not a 40 points winger. He has only one 40 points season in career and his average in career is 34 points every 82 games. He's a 3rd liner paid like a 2nd liner. His career ppg is about the same as Lars Eller (31 points every 82 games) and he is 5 years wounger so when everything will be said and done they will be both about on par offensively speaking.

Josh Anderson is a classic case of "you should not evaluate a player based on his best 1 or 2 seasons alone". Gotta look at the big picture. Career years are not uncommon at all. Thomas Holmstrom did 29 goals and 59 points in 2005-2006 and 30 goals and 52 points in 2006-2007 but when you look at his whole career he really was a 17-20 goals and 35-45 points net precense those two years were an anomaly.

Career years are nice when they happen to a player you already own specially if you are in a cup window. You got to be prudent with the contract extension but the player you got him for free. But acquiring a player in his mid 20ies who just posted a season out of the ordinary with the thinking that he can repeat this every season until he is in his mid 30ies is very very dangerous and more often than not turns out to be a disaster.