Is the ACC falling apart?

[LadyStanley]

Will the ACC hold together or fall apart? 'The SEC and Big Ten have cut us open and they’re just watching us bleed out'

While FSU and Clemson are openly and actively forming an escape plan, other schools may now join their cause as revenue dips in comparison to the SEC and Big Ten.

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Clemson and Florida State are leaving.

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[edog37]

Will the ACC hold together or fall apart? 'The SEC and Big Ten have cut us open and they’re just watching us bleed out'

While FSU and Clemson are openly and actively forming an escape plan, other schools may now join their cause as revenue dips in comparison to the SEC and Big Ten.

sports.yahoo.com

Clemson and Florida State are leaving.

At this point, it’s better to ask if college football is imploding.

 

[joelef]

At this point, it’s better to ask if college football is imploding.

That’s what happens when your a professional that’s pretends to be a beer league.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

The Big Ten and SEC are circling around them, that's for sure.

 

[FMichael]

For a second there I thought the Maple Leafs Air Canada Center was in need of replacement...Should turn it into another Loblaws.

 

[jackflash]

Great minds think alike I guess

 

[GindyDraws]

The Big Ten and SEC are circling around them, that's for sure.

And at what point do they start cannibalizing within?

You know they will not pay Indiana and Vanderbilt forever.

 

[KevFu]

It's all ESPN.

You know that ESPN could keep the ACC together at any time by simply redoing their TV deal?

Instead they sit back and report / fan the flames of turmoil inside conferences when all the turmoil in EVERY conference the last 30 years has been about chasing dollars FROM ESPN.

 

[joelef]

It's all ESPN.

You know that ESPN could keep the ACC together at any time by simply redoing their TV deal?

Instead they sit back and report / fan the flames of turmoil inside conferences when all the turmoil in EVERY conference the last 30 years has been about chasing dollars FROM ESPN.

These conferences and the ncaa could put there money where there mouth is and refused to get tv money since there a “ amateur sport. But these “ amateur sports “ organizations had no moral qualms putting there hands and bending over for espn and fox money.

 

[KevFu]

No one is going to turn down "free money." They're actively chasing the most money.

But ESPN is making money airing games that people are interested in, regardless. ESPN could easily justify that:

Because the fans love the tradition of college football, and the historical rivalries, it is in the best interest of everyone to preserve the Pac-12, ACC, Big 12, SEC and Big Ten as they have traditionally been, and not offer MORE money to raid other conferences.

ESPN is not encouraging realignment to get more product; they had all the product.
They're encouraging the sacrifice of tradition and rivalries in order to CUT EXPENSES to teams in an effort to pay less.

ESPN purposefully devalued some of their own properties -- they've been telling everyone the SEC was the best since 2006, when it wasn't statistically true, in an effort to MAKE it true by steering recruits -- so that they could hack and slash the number of conferences they pay down.

And the only reason they don't get a lawsuit up their asses is because they buy off those who'd file one (Big 12).

 

[KevFu]

If you look at what ESPN was paying everyone in a snapshot in an old alignment, and then what the new alignment would have been paid on that price (to eliminate the fact that it's just inflation of negotiations and not real value).

ESPN:
- lost USC, UCLA, Washington and Oregon to FOX.
- lost Washington St and Oregon St completely
- added UAB, FAU, Charlotte, North Texas, Rice and UTSA.
- devalued the schedule and traditions.
- spend an additional $135 million in "old alignment" money to do it.

That's with "old value money," and when you apply new value money, it's actually kind of worse, because they gave the SEC so freaking much.


The ONLY benefit ESPN gets from doing this is negotiating with fewer people/conferences, so they run less risk of losing someone who's good in a given year. They're eliminating the risk of losing one of the best conferences to another network, which is smart...

HOWEVER, in order to accomplish this, they had to push the narrative that the SEC is the best an everyone else sucks. And by doing so, pissed off the Big Ten so they went to FOX.

If the kept college sports as SEVEN major conferences that were near equals, they'd have risked losing 1/7th of the sports power if they lost ONE conference.

But by devaluing conferences 3-10 and merging them down from SEVEN major to FOUR, they lost the #2 conference, which is now way more value than 1/7th the major seven.

 

[joelef]

No one is going to turn down "free money." They're actively chasing the most money.

But ESPN is making money airing games that people are interested in, regardless. ESPN could easily justify that:

Because the fans love the tradition of college football, and the historical rivalries, it is in the best interest of everyone to preserve the Pac-12, ACC, Big 12, SEC and Big Ten as they have traditionally been, and not offer MORE money to raid other conferences.

ESPN is not encouraging realignment to get more product; they had all the product.
They're encouraging the sacrifice of tradition and rivalries in order to CUT EXPENSES to teams in an effort to pay less.

ESPN purposefully devalued some of their own properties -- they've been telling everyone the SEC was the best since 2006, when it wasn't statistically true, in an effort to MAKE it true by steering recruits -- so that they could hack and slash the number of conferences they pay down.

And the only reason they don't get a lawsuit up their asses is because they buy off those who'd file one (Big 12).

Sure you can if you actually believe in the amateurism that the ncaa and the anti nil pearl clenchers pushes

 

[End of Line]

And at what point do they start cannibalizing within?

You know they will not pay Indiana and Vanderbilt forever.

The B1G presidents are incredibly tight with one another and I can’t see them agreeing to let a school go.

 

[Outl4w]

Will the ACC hold together or fall apart? 'The SEC and Big Ten have cut us open and they’re just watching us bleed out'

While FSU and Clemson are openly and actively forming an escape plan, other schools may now join their cause as revenue dips in comparison to the SEC and Big Ten.

sports.yahoo.com

Clemson and Florida State are leaving.

Not unless they can afford the GOR buyout. This is all just whining and screaming because they are under contract and can't afford the buyout. The SEC and B1G are at the kings table, the ACC and B12 are at the knights table, and the rest of g5 is at the peasents table.

 

[varsaku]

At this point, it’s better to ask if college football is imploding.

Maybe for non Big10 and SEC teams. Their TV money will dry up but will still have gate and donors if that holds through this transition.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I thought this was about the leafs arena, when read title.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I thought this was about the leafs arena, when read title.

it does kind of fall apart when we play in it in the playoffs tbh

 

[joelef]

it does kind of fall apart when we play in it in the playoffs tbh

 

[awfulwaffle]

At this point, it’s better to ask if college football is imploding.

They need to implement changes to NIL. The open transfer has destroyed it IMO. There needs to be restrictions on transfers. Penalties for transferring(lose a year of eligibility), things of that nature. Saban said it best when he retired, now people only care about the $$.

 

[joelef]

They need to implement changes to NIL. The open transfer has destroyed it IMO. There needs to be restrictions on transfers. Penalties for transferring(lose a year of eligibility), things of that nature. Saban said it best when he retired, now people only care about the $$.

A guy who coached for millions whining about players wanting money.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Why shouldn't they care about money?

Also, they're student athletes. Students can otherwise transfer schools without issue and there's no inane expectation that they can't take classes or the like. If a student athlete wants to transfer for literally any reason, there is no sensible reason to put barriers on that. Having penalties as was the case previously merely forces players to stay stuck in situations that they don't like, which is nonsensical as in no other circumstance are students stuck with the universities that they're attending beyond the given semester being there.

Does the NIL system need reforms? Sure. It's still better than the crap we were previously used to.

 

[joelef]

Why shouldn't they care about money?

Also, they're student athletes. Students can otherwise transfer schools without issue and there's no inane expectation that they can't take classes or the like. If a student athlete wants to transfer for literally any reason, there is no sensible reason to put barriers on that. Having penalties as was the case previously merely forces players to stay stuck in situations that they don't like, which is nonsensical as in no other circumstance are students stuck with the universities that they're attending beyond the given semester being there.

Does the NIL system need reforms? Sure. It's still better than the crap we were previously used to.

Yeah but that ruins navieity amateur illusion that so many college football fans have. They don’t want to live in reality .

 

[edog37]

They need to implement changes to NIL. The open transfer has destroyed it IMO. There needs to be restrictions on transfers. Penalties for transferring(lose a year of eligibility), things of that nature. Saban said it best when he retired, now people only care about the $$.

I find it hilarious when any college coach talks about restrictions. Coaches contracts aren’t even worth the paper they’re printed on.

The NCAA did this to themselves. If you try to impose restrictions unilaterally, it’d end up court & the NCAA would lose big again.

Moving forward, Division 1 football should look at Division 1 hockey. Move the draft age up to 18. They can still get their NIL checks, but they’ll probably stay put.

A guy who coached for millions whining about players wanting money.

Couldn’t have put it any better.

Maybe for non Big10 and SEC teams. Their TV money will dry up but will still have gate and donors if that holds through this transition.

To a point. Most fans will tune out if it’s the same 4 teams year in & year out.

 

[tucker3434]

I find it hilarious when any college coach talks about restrictions. Coaches contracts aren’t even worth the paper they’re printed on.

The NCAA did this to themselves. If you try to impose restrictions unilaterally, it’d end up court & the NCAA would lose big again.

Moving forward, Division 1 football should look at Division 1 hockey. Move the draft age up to 18. They can still get their NIL checks, but they’ll probably stay put.


Couldn’t have put it any better.


To a point. Most fans will tune out if it’s the same 4 teams year in & year out.

I think NIL and transfer portal has decreased the gap towards the top. That’s at least the way things appeared this past recruiting cycle. These tier 2 teams have some money to throw around that the tier 1 teams can’t match for what would be depth for them.

Gonna wreck everybody after tier 2 though.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Sure, but the onus on saving programs isn't on the players. They have a limited window to play and most won't turn pro, and of those that do turn pro then most won't last very long. Players absolutely deserve the chance to play where they want and to cash out whenever they want, same as how coaches and administrators can and do jump ships at the drop of a hat, too.

And I say that as an Illini fan. I think we'll be fine competing for talent in basketball, but let's be clear I fully realize that we're more than one step down on the list of top targets for elite football players to join.