Crosby this isn't even a question. Not even int he same stratosphere player wise. Kucherov doesn't have a single thing he does better than Sid.
Please create a video showing all 97 goals and how he sucked and caused those goals to go in his netIf that were true, he wouldn't be in the ice for so many goals against. What was it this year - 97 or something?
Please create a video showing all 97 goals and how he sucked and caused those goals to go in his net
But what are you gleaning from that stat? That he sucks defensively then? That stat doesn’t really tell that story. Lidstrom, for example, is one of the all-time leaders in goals against…he’s not bad defensively. Kopitar is #3 or 4 active all-time leader in this category, he doesn’t suck defensively.The data doesn't lie.
You are free to look up whatever video you want.
But what are you gleaning from that stat? That he sucks defensively then? That stat doesn’t really tell that story. Lidstrom, for example, is one of the all-time leaders in goals against…he’s not bad defensively. Kopitar is #3 or 4 active all-time leader in this category, he doesn’t suck defensively.
The data doesn't lie, but your biases do.The data doesn't lie.
You are free to look up whatever video you want.
The data doesn't lie, but your biases do.
I get that, but I'm not trying to use stats to justify anything. You are on a crusade to convince everyone that Crosby is one of the worst defensive players in the league and anyone that thinks otherwise is just brainwashed by the Cdn media who has been trying to prop him up as Selke candidate.You would have to be counting penalty killing minutes - which Crosby barely does - in order to put Kopitar or Lidstrom on Crosby's level of defense.
That isn't a legitimate way of looking at things.
Your Don Quichotte quest to belittle Sidney Crosby is impressive, I must give you that.I don't think so.
The Crosby crowd started claiming - without evidence - that Crosby suddenly became great at defense (not coincidentally) right when he was no longer a contender for the Art Ross.
At that same time, Crosby's penalty killing went to practically zero and his offensive zone starts increased. In other words, Crosby's defensive responsibilities went down right when the pro-Crosby media was claiming they went up.
His on-ice goals against were never great. He's had a few decent seasons - nowhere near Bergeron/Datsyuk type seasons, but still decent. Then again, so has Ovechkin - except Ovechkin doesn't have an army of media people willing to make a baseless argument - at least not English speakers.
In reality, Crosby's on-ice goals against have generally been quite close to Ovechkin's, and nowhere near the actual great defensive players. And this is why the Crosby crowd almost never brings any actual defensive statistics. They just say it, parrot it, rinse and repeat.
Sidney Crosby was on the ice for a whopping 93 non-power play goals against this season. Do you not know that that is a lot?
Nobody claimed that Crosby was in the Bergeron/Datsyuk class of defensive players.
What people claim, and I do not think it is an outlandish claim, is that Crosby is good defensively and, perhaps, the most complete player in the league. Goals against depend on so much more than just the individual player's defensive acumen. Context matters.
Well Datsyuk hasn't played in the last 8 years so I'd hope soYes they did.
Crosby has topped Couturier, Datsyuk, Barkov, and even Bergeron on many Selke ballots over the past 8 years or so. -That is not a defensible outcome IMO.
I'm not making some sort of straw man here.
Crosby this isn't even a question. Not even int he same stratosphere player wise. Kucherov doesn't have a single thing he does better than Sid.
Yeah if you bury your head in the sand and ignore all hrs done, I guess he's comparable to them lmaoVery comparable players skillwise, Crosby is very overrated on these boards. He got a great career no doubt and should be held in high regard due to that but in terms of actual on ice production and impact he is a second tier all time great(not much, if anything, separating him from players like Kucherov, Yzerman, Trottier etc in that regard).
People ranking him 5th of all time etc are out to lunch in my mind.
Yeah if you bury your head in the sand and ignore all hrs done, I guess he's comparable to them lmao