Around the League 43: Playoff Time- Goodbye Buffalo, Goodbye Yzerplan. And Goodbye Yotes, Welcome Utah.

[chaz4hockey]

Another goalie challenge by Florida. Good goal. Interference voodoo continues.

I thought it was good goal though.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Another goalie challenge by Florida. Good goal. Interference voodoo continues.

I thought it was good goal though.

Yeah, that call was fine. But this one:



Baffling. Even if they believe Bob was hurt (which I assume was the reason for the whistle), they aren’t supposed to blow it dead unless there’s an immediate danger or until Boston loses possession.

 

[poobags]

How the F do the Wild 2 solid top sixers worth of dead cap space. Jesus they could sign the top D man in the market and have enough for a middle six guy just with that money

I know someone already answered and said the Parise and Suter buyouts but here's the actual numbers:

 

[Horatio Cane]

If you asked me to rank posts in this thread in order of their fakeness, I might go:

1. Trouba wins something called a Mark Messier leadership award
2. Refs stop play because Bob makes a shoulder save
3. Multiple teams have +$10m in dead cap space
4. Montgomery presser

 

[AD Skinner]

Mark messier leading with the elbow award

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I finally got a chance to watch a EDM/VAN game. Even though it took a last minute goal to win, EDM was all over VAN that game. Some observations:

1) Holy shit, don't give EDM a PP. So damn lethal. McDavid is just unreal.
2) Oilers were outworking basically everyone on Vancouver last night except for maybe Garland and Bleuger (sp?). Boeser looked good too. They seemingly won almost every board battle. Vancouver looked slow, and at times almost afraid to engage comparatively. Vancouver had a few decent stretches, but overall, EDM took it to them.
3) Van's goalie was very good, but man he looks like a rebound machine. Maybe it was somewhat intentional though as a lot of them rebounded so far that the Oiler's couldn't do anything with them.
4) Elias Pettersson looked timid and afraid to engage physically. Honestly, looked scrawny and weak last night and taken off the puck too easily.

 

[Svechhammer]

To make up for my mistake, I submit to you this humble offering. LOL:

This is what happens when you let Mark Messier arbitrarily give out his own award every year. Guy is such a a homer for 2 things... The Rags and dirty players

 

[Stickpucker]

To make up for my mistake, I submit to you this humble offering. LOL:

He does lead....with his elbow.

I finally got a chance to watch a EDM/VAN game. Even though it took a last minute goal to win, EDM was all over VAN that game. Some observations:

1) Holy shit, don't give EDM a PP. So damn lethal. McDavid is just unreal.
2) Oilers were outworking basically everyone on Vancouver last night except for maybe Garland and Bleuger (sp?). Boeser looked good too. They seemingly won almost every board battle. Vancouver looked slow, and at times almost afraid to engage comparatively. Vancouver had a few decent stretches, but overall, EDM took it to them.
3) Van's goalie was very good, but man he looks like a rebound machine. Maybe it was somewhat intentional though as a lot of them rebounded so far that the Oiler's couldn't do anything with them.
4) Elias Pettersson looked timid and afraid to engage physically. Honestly, looked scrawny and weak last night and taken off the puck too easily.

I heard it here first...we dodged a bullet not acquiring EP!!!!@!

 

[AD Skinner]

Someone posted a comparison on Reddit kuznetsov has had a better playoff so far than petterson, maeks u think

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Someone posted a comparison on Reddit kuznetsov has had a better playoff so far than petterson, maeks u think

comparisons among 10 games is pretty tough to draw conclusions.

Ep40 is having some bad luck offensively and Kuzy good luck which can throw a comparison with such a small sample size.

the canes are putting kuzy in better situations than EP40 too. Kuzy has a 75% o zone start at 5v5 and EP 53%.

 

[UNCCHcane]

comparisons among 10 games is pretty tough to draw conclusions.

Ep40 is having some bad luck offensively and Kuzy good luck which can throw a comparison with such a small sample size.

the canes are putting kuzy in better situations than EP40 too. Kuzy has a 75% o zone start at 5v5 and EP 53%.

 

[Chrispy]

comparisons among 10 games is pretty tough to draw conclusions.

Ep40 is having some bad luck offensively and Kuzy good luck which can throw a comparison with such a small sample size.

the canes are putting kuzy in better situations than EP40 too. Kuzy has a 75% o zone start at 5v5 and EP 53%.

75% o-zone start doesn't mean as much as you think it does:
From NHL Player Statistics -Advanced Stats 2023-2024

Kuznetsov in the playoffs:
10.5% of 5x5 shifts start in offensive zone
17.5% in neutral zone
3.5% in defensive zone
68.4% on the fly

Elias Petterson
11.1% of 5x5 shifts start in offensive zone
11.1% in neutral zone
10.6% in defensive zone
66.1% on the fly

So the only major differences are Kuznetsov gets more 6.5% more neutral zone starts than Petterson and Petterson gets 7% more defensive zone starts.

I am confident strength of opponent would be a better argument, but this "75% vs 53%" comes from 7% of all 5x5 shifts.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Hilarious post:

 

[Unsustainable]

Oh my

 

[WreckingCrew]

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Oh my

Kinky

 

[AD Skinner]

Hilarious post:

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this is awesome but they should also do one of his absurd swing at kuznetsov after the puck was already in the net

 

[WreckingCrew]

this is awesome but they should also do one of his absurd swing at kuznetsov after the puck was already in the net

What about Fox's swing at Svech after his bump on Igor?

 

[bleedgreen]

comparisons among 10 games is pretty tough to draw conclusions.

Ep40 is having some bad luck offensively and Kuzy good luck which can throw a comparison with such a small sample size.

the canes are putting kuzy in better situations than EP40 too. Kuzy has a 75% o zone start at 5v5 and EP 53%.

kuzy has had good luck? Last game he drove the net on a rebound from a play that started outside of the zone, and the previous game he took the zone on his own and beat the goalie clean from distance. They went over the replay multiple times about how he beat Panarin to the net for the rebound on a net drive for the first one…..on a drive all the way down the rink.

How were either of those plays generated from a kind offensive zone start? How were either of those goals “luck” vs “hard work” or “skill”. Neither had an offensive zone advantage. This is what I’m talking about with curious use of stats.

Ps. The other two were a penalty shot and the first goal of the playoffs which was a snipe on a power play. EP I’m sure is a more featured pp player than Kuzy.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

kuzy has had good luck? Last game he drove the net on a rebound from a play that started outside of the zone, and the previous game he took the zone on his own and beat the goalie clean from distance. They went over the replay multiple times about how he beat Panarin to the net for the rebound on a net drive for the first one…..on a drive all the way down the rink.

How were either of those plays generated from a kind offensive zone start? How were either of those goals “luck” vs “hard work” or “skill”. Neither had an offensive zone advantage. This is what I’m talking about with curious use of stats.

Ps. The other two were a penalty shot and the first goal of the playoffs which was a snipe on a power play. EP I’m sure is a more featured pp player than Kuzy.

He’s had good luck because his line has scored 1.5 more goals than expected. This isn’t an attack on every individual play he’s made
But he does have an expected goal total of 0.83 in 5v5 so far.

 

[bleedgreen]

He’s had good luck because his line has scored 1.5 more goals than expected. This isn’t an attack on every individual play he’s made
But he does have an expected goal total of 0.83 in 5v5 so far.

Or maybe instead of lucky they were just good? Calling people lucky because they exceed statistical expectations is nonsense. I question the nature of expected goals, and obviously the usage of the word lucky. Kuzy has 33 playoff goals in 96 games. Not a lot of luck in that.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Or maybe instead of lucky they were just good? Calling people lucky because they exceed statistical expectations is nonsense. I question the nature of expected goals, and obviously the usage of the word lucky. Kuzy has 33 playoff goals in 96 games. Not a lot of luck in that.

Well that is just like your opinion man

 

[Svechhammer]

Like I said on the main forum, I am looking forward to seeing how Kuzy is next year. He's clearly incredibly talented and has been able to score some big goals for us, but he also clearly came from Washington completely out of shape and he's not really been able to keep up.

Give him a summer to train and get into game shape under our regiment, and I think he could bounce back in a huge way. I'm thinking he has us not worried about the 2C spot next year

 

[AD Skinner]

I’ve loved kuznetsov here. I was mostly just pointing out something I saw on Reddit not trying to make a real point but I have really enjoyed him

 

[tarheelhockey]

I know someone already answered and said the Parise and Suter buyouts but here's the actual numbers:
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God damn, those contracts really were a generational mistake for that franchise.

 

[raynman]

Like I said on the main forum, I am looking forward to seeing how Kuzy is next year. He's clearly incredibly talented and has been able to score some big goals for us, but he also clearly came from Washington completely out of shape and he's not really been able to keep up.

Give him a summer to train and get into game shape under our regiment, and I think he could bounce back in a huge way. I'm thinking he has us not worried about the 2C spot next year

I know he’s scored some big goals but I’m kinda thinking he won’t be back next year. Of course I’m generally wrong when I think about stuff so good chance he will be back