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Nope. 30 goals is 30 goals. He could get 0 points from now on and still get 5.5M.No read my original f***ing post. I did say he needs to start scoring…big f***ing IF
Nope. 30 goals is 30 goals. He could get 0 points from now on and still get 5.5M.No read my original f***ing post. I did say he needs to start scoring…big f***ing IF
Especially if he goes to arbitration.Nope. 30 goals is 30 goals. He could get 0 points from now on and still get 5.5M.
Getting our #1C alone makes it a major win for us. Hanifin is a nice cherry on top too.
Great so he signs his QO and becomes a highly sought after ufa the year after he ain't making 4 unless he loves it hereThat’s how much Bennett is making and he is a center and brings tangible.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.I'm sorry but if he is not effective the vast majority of games.
There is no way Mangiapane will be offered $6M. Zadorov may want term so the decision should be whether being satisfied with a young 27 yr old or waiting for Mackey and Valimaki to develop and in the end what do they bring to the team?No cap-space. Gaudreau and Tkachuk are playing themselves into 10m+ category level contracts, and Mangiapane will be around 6m give or take. Zadorov is going to want 4-5m long term, and that's just too much for 3rd pairing dmen when you already have so much many tied up into depth players.
Even if he doesn’t, zadorov is a cap sacrifice when Gaudreau and tkachuk are knocking at 8 digit contracts.There is no way Mangiapane will be offered $6M. Zadorov may want term so the decision should be whether being satisfied with a young 27 yr old or waiting for Mackey and Valimaki to develop and in the end what do they bring to the team?
Treliving hasn’t even signed JohnnyBennett's best season before that contract was 36 points in 72 games in his rookie year. Even last year he had 27 points in 48 games with 10 goals. They aren't comparable
That's a lot of bread, and probably near what will happen.Mangi will get 5 per over 6 years.
Bennett finished strong with with a sample size of 10 games. Mangiapane is 2 goals away from out scoring the 2 highest scoring seasons Bennett had before his new contract. I'm not sure what Mangiapane will make but 1. Bennett is not comparable in any real way and if he is we are in trouble because he got 4 million for 10 goals 27 points in 48 games so by that logic Mangiapane could ask for 8. 2. If he Treliving plays hard ball Mangiapane can just sign his QO and look to get paid the next year, even if comes down to earth and only has 47 points and 28 goals which was his pace last year he will be looking at 5 million+ considering that's better than Coleman had in Tampa and Mangiapane is 4 years younger. My guess is if we get a deal worked out it will be around 5.25-5.75 for 5 or 6 yearsTreliving hasn’t even signed Johnny
Do you honestly think he would pay 6M for Mangi unless he finished strong?
Treliving doesn’t have a history of overpaying his own RFA. Yes, Mangi can go to arbitration but the Flames have options and time
Btw, numbers may not be compatible but Bennett finished strong and is a beast. Let’s not talk like Mangi has multiple 30 goal seasons.
I just don’t see the Flames wanting or can afford to pay him 6M unless he finished strong and force their hands
I don’t mind keeping Ritchie at 800k and/or replacing Lucic with a big physical 4th line LW. And agreed we keep Gudbranson. But bottom line is Lucic Ritchie and Zadorov are extremely extremely replaceable and not a main reason for our success. I agree overall team toughness is nice and there is some value to it, but not when ur paying 10+ mil to the bottom or ur roster. Replace Lucic and Zad’s combined 9 mil with a physical 4LW and Mackey for 2 mil and spend the other 7 on actual core players like Mang/KylingtonWhich is why I think the Flames may try to re-sign Zadorov who will only turn 27 on April 16 and that's only two years older than Hanifin and Andersson.
Big, tough, smooth skating D-men are hard to come by. And one of the reasons the Flames have enjoyed so much success this year is because we have the likes of Lucic, Ritchie, Zadorov, and Gudbranson on the team. We're tough to play against.
Fast forward to next year if Lucic is gone (as many fans appear to want) and Ritchie is gone (again the chorus is to lose him) and Zadorov walks into UFA. Assuming we can re-sign Guddy, all of a sudden we're not quite as scary as we are this year.
No offense to Valimaki or Mackey, but our D would take a big hit by not being as tough.
Correction. A “one time” 30 goal scorer.4 million for a 30 goal scorer? Good luck
He scored at a 28 goal pace last year. Like I said good luck getting him on a deal at 4 millionCorrection. A “one time” 30 goal scorer.
Again, if he wants 6M+, Treliving can trade him. It’s not like there is no option. Mangi is like Bennett, a critical support player but not the guy to carry the team. You should not break the bank to pay those guys. It’s ok if we don’t have Johnny and Tkachuk to sign but we do. I think 5M is as far as they should go with him.Bennett finished strong with with a sample size of 10 games. Mangiapane is 2 goals away from out scoring the 2 highest scoring seasons Bennett had before his new contract. I'm not sure what Mangiapane will make but 1. Bennett is not comparable in any real way and if he is we are in trouble because he got 4 million for 10 goals 27 points in 48 games so by that logic Mangiapane could ask for 8. 2. If he Treliving plays hard ball Mangiapane can just sign his QO and look to get paid the next year, even if comes down to earth and only has 47 points and 28 goals which was his pace last year he will be looking at 5 million+ considering that's better than Coleman had in Tampa and Mangiapane is 4 years younger. My guess is if we get a deal worked out it will be around 5.25-5.75 for 5 or 6 years
Mangiapane is the type of guy you move other players to keep around.Again, if he wants 6M+, Treliving can trade him. It’s not like there is no option. Mangi is like Bennett, a critical support player but not the guy to carry the team. You should not break the bank to pay those guys. It’s ok if we don’t have Johnny and Tkachuk to sign but we do. I think 5M is as far as they should go with him.
Also you underestimate Bennett. He brings more than number. Even his numbers look as good as Mangi this year.
Nah, I’d sign Johnny and Tkachuk first. Mangi is a distance 3rd at that price….but sure sign them all if you have cap spaceMangiapane is the type of guy you move other players to keep around.
Mangiapane is the only capable depth on this team. For his entire career he has seen either no PP minutes or the 2nd unit. For his entire career he has had elite analytical contributions on the defensive end of the puck (which has led to him contributing on the PK now as well). This isn't a case for Mangiapane where he's an alright depth player and is having a big year before his payday, he has been a play driver for much of his career with the Flames.
There's all of this reference to Bennett being more than his points, then what the hell is Mangiapane? He has elite defensive results, he scores, he is very physically engaged in every game, he is a possession monster. Also note he has done all of this with Backlund and Coleman who eat a lot of criticism. Mangiapane has 9 different line combos with EV minutes >25 this season. 2 of them are under 60% CF. Those two are
Mangiapane - Dube - Ritchie
Mangiapane - Backlund - Toffoli
I'd argue he's more than a critical support player. He is closer to what Tkachuk was as support the past few yeasr than what Bennett is. An elite player who is stuck behind an even more elite player so he gets to be great on the 2nd line.
This isn't gonna stop the argument from being "oh when was his last goal when he was 30" ad infinitum but bar none this is not a guy you trade just beacuse he is going to make 6m. This is a guy you get in that 4-6 million range with term and you laugh to the bank because his underlyings show he still has another level that will make his contract look like a discount in the future.
Well, yeah. He's clearly a tier below them when they are both on pace for 100+ point seasons but if it comes down to any non-top line forward on this roster vs. the cap for Mangiapane you dont just trade Mangiapane to keep a Toffoli/Coleman/Backlund around.Nah, I’d sign Johnny and Tkachuk first. Mangi is a distance 3rd at that price….but sure sign them all if you have cap space
Agreed. I've seen enough from Tofolli at this point to say with certainly he isn't 2/3 the player Mangiapane is at this point. His skating really concerns me.Well, yeah. He's clearly a tier below them when they are both on pace for 100+ point seasons but if it comes down to any non-top line forward on this roster vs. the cap for Mangiapane you dont just trade Mangiapane to keep a Toffoli/Coleman/Backlund around.