WarriorofTime
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Update: QMJHL, OHL and WHL all end in Sweeps in the Championship round.
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Yeah the WHL is also always pretty lopsided.I think this is typical of most junior hockey anyways. It's always cyclical.
4 out of 8 in the dub was sweeps, and two more were 4-1. Most of the teams that swept loaded up big time (MJ, Saskatoon, SW and Portland).
5 of the eight series ended in sweeps, two of the series ended in five games, one series has a Game 5 today with the team at home today up 3 games to 1. 16 out of 18 teams in the QMJHL make the playoffs, is there a problem with parity and too big of a difference between the "haves" loading up and the "have nots" selling to a larger extent than is desirable? Does this kind of lopsided results throughout the League play a big role in why the QMJHL representative has done so well in the Memorial Cup in recent years?
So does the WHL.The QMJHL also allows trading first round picks, so teams can really load up.
More excuses.I'm not an expert but watching all three leagues over the last years my impression is that the Q lost a step or two compared to the other two CHL leagues. That of course doesn't mean that loaded teams can't still be good.
Another impression of mine is that it mostly isn't the best but the most energized teams doing well at the Memorial Cup. CHL season is long, kids are still young, not grown men. They tire out eventually, pick up more and more bruises, even injuries. Since it's often easier to win the Q than the other two leagues, of course the Q teams tend to have more left in the tank for the memorial cup. I believe energy is also more important than home advantage.
I think 2022 is a pretty good example. Saint John just dominated loaded teams like Hamilton or Edmonton completely. Tired and banged up, they didn't stand a chance against Saint John.
Nothing against the Q though. I think it's a recent development and it might change again. Right now however, I do think that the league doesn't quite have the depth of the other two leagues.
Two of the teams (Moncton and Halifax) were favourites who got swept. Halifax especially was by far the favourites5 of the eight series ended in sweeps, two of the series ended in five games, one series has a Game 5 today with the team at home today up 3 games to 1. 16 out of 18 teams in the QMJHL make the playoffs, is there a problem with parity and too big of a difference between the "haves" loading up and the "have nots" selling to a larger extent than is desirable? Does this kind of lopsided results throughout the League play a big role in why the QMJHL representative has done so well in the Memorial Cup in recent years?
Anything to copeI'm not an expert but watching all three leagues over the last years my impression is that the Q lost a step or two compared to the other two CHL leagues. That of course doesn't mean that loaded teams can't still be good.
Another impression of mine is that it mostly isn't the best but the most energized teams doing well at the Memorial Cup. CHL season is long, kids are still young, not grown men. They tire out eventually, pick up more and more bruises, even injuries. Since it's often easier to win the Q than the other two leagues, of course the Q teams tend to have more left in the tank for the memorial cup. I believe energy is also more important than home advantage.
I think 2022 is a pretty good example. Saint John just dominated loaded teams like Hamilton or Edmonton completely. Tired and banged up, they didn't stand a chance against Saint John.
Nothing against the Q though. I think it's a recent development and it might change again. Right now however, I do think that the league doesn't quite have the depth of the other two leagues.
Hotter Take - The memorial cup should be a nationally televised, single knockout, March Madness style tournament that would revitalise junior hockey popularity in this country.Hot Take - CHL Playoffs should be "best of 1" instead of this Best of 7 drawn out sweeps
I'm not an expert but watching all three leagues over the last years my impression is that the Q lost a step or two compared to the other two CHL leagues. That of course doesn't mean that loaded teams can't still be good.
Another impression of mine is that it mostly isn't the best but the most energized teams doing well at the Memorial Cup. CHL season is long, kids are still young, not grown men. They tire out eventually, pick up more and more bruises, even injuries. Since it's often easier to win the Q than the other two leagues, of course the Q teams tend to have more left in the tank for the memorial cup. I believe energy is also more important than home advantage.
I think 2022 is a pretty good example. Saint John just dominated loaded teams like Hamilton or Edmonton completely. Tired and banged up, they didn't stand a chance against Saint John.
Nothing against the Q though. I think it's a recent development and it might change again. Right now however, I do think that the league doesn't quite have the depth of the other two leagues.
Maybe 8 teams per league, 24 team field, best 8 teams (2 or 3 per league) get a first round bye?Hotter Take - The memorial cup should be a nationally televised, single knockout, March Madness style tournament that would revitalise junior hockey popularity in this country.
Hotter Take - The memorial cup should be a nationally televised, single knockout, March Madness style tournament that would revitalise junior hockey popularity in this country.
Double elimination would be even better! Winners bracket and losers bracket. Meet at the end and loser has to win two to take the cup.That would be pretty awesome. Best-of-1 might be more "fun" than meaningful , but the Memorial Cup format isn't very meaningful anyway.
My eyes are hurting. How the hell is it easier to win in the Q? They play best of 7 playoffs with 4 rounds just like the other leagues lmao.
This is just lame excuses. By the way, playoffs in the Q used to end after playoffs of WHL and OHL. So less rest. The years Q didn't win was 100% because of this. Right?
Yeah, 22/45 CHL Playoff Series ended in Sweeps. 12/45 ended in Five Games, 7/45 ended in Six games and only 4/45 went to Seven games.That would be pretty awesome. Best-of-1 might be more "fun" than meaningful , but the Memorial Cup format isn't very meaningful anyway.
Hotter Take - The memorial cup should be a nationally televised, single knockout, March Madness style tournament that would revitalise junior hockey popularity in this country.
Problem is talent gap. Each league has 3-6 teams load up at the deadline each year. Typically the first round is a cake walk but you often get some decent match ups from the 2nd round onward. The teams play over 60 games in the regular season so buy the time you get done with playoffs your looking at 80+ games played. The format as is at the moment is pretty solid. The only thing people like to harp on is the host team. You could solve this by just not having a host team. So bye bye to places like Shawinigan, Saginaw, etc from hosting. Instead you have set locations. OHL year it would either be in London or Windsor. Q would be Quebec or Halifax. WHL would be Idk Saskatoon and Red Deer. All three champs would be in as well as the championship loser of the host league. But again that takes away from having the event go to smaller areas that are the backbone of junior hockey. Above all else the event is a showcase and a celebration of these communities.I'm really not a follower of Junior/CHL hockey, so people who are can tell me why it's a bad idea or would never work, but ya, turning the Memorial Cup into something like what college basketball does is a interesting idea.
Just thinking out loud... The three CHL leagues should continue to operate as is, have their regular season and playoffs to crown their respective league champion, and have the Memorial Cup operate as a separate entity. Make it a single elimination tournament opened to all CHL teams... Maybe even open it up to teams from the top Junior "A" leagues. Hold the entire thing at the end of the year, or perhaps even run it in parallel to the various league seasons... So I guess what I'm suggesting is something closer to how Cup competitions in soccer sort of work.
shh that doesn't fit the narrativeEveryone understands this season was an outlier right? Like this isn't a typical thing.
See I was thinking grander. If the CHL and NCAA ever figure out what they are doing with some sort of agreement where CHL players can play there eventually, you could open up the ushl to this tournament as well. I think there is only like 16-18 teams there now but we are getting closer to having a full 64 team bracket. Now you're getting quite a bit of American exposure as well.Maybe 8 teams per league, 24 team field, best 8 teams (2 or 3 per league) get a first round bye?