Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[lanky]

I also think he’s a bit too similar to Simashev and Lamoureux and I don’t think we’re going to invest another 1st rounder into that same profile. Or at least I’d be surprised.

I don't think that plays into it.
Bill knows what he wants and he wants a lot of it.

If the coach demands a dynamo puck moving D (like Ghost or Durzi) then Bill can find one without paying through the nose.

My guess for Bill's top 5 is...

Celebrini
Silayev
Lindstrom
Yakemchuk
Levshunov

 

[rt]

I don't think that plays into it.
Bill knows what he wants and he wants a lot of it.

If the coach demands a dynamo puck moving D (like Ghost or Durzi) then Bill can find one without paying through the nose.

My guess for Bill's top 5 is...

Celebrini
Silayev
Lindstrom
Yakemchuk
Levshunov

I think it does matter. It’s really hard to get an elite two-way D. The Gostisbeheres and Durzis I think can fill in some gaps but you need that elite two-way talent at the top of your blueline if you want to be a serious contender.

I looked at the top 25 D in EVTOI/GP and 80% of those guys also get at least a minute and a half of PP TOI/GP.

I think the vast majority of Cup winners have a No.1 D who can also QB their PP.

I love Simashev and Lamoureux. And I love Silayev, too. These are super fun prospects. I’m really honestly a big fan. I don’t see any of them getting top PP time. I think they’re more like a mash up of K’Andre Miller, Colton Parayko, and Adam Larsson to some degree. Which are 3 of the 5 guys from my list who don’t get significant PP time. Those guys are valuable. And I’m glad we have a couple of them that could really project to the high end of that role. That’s important.

I do think you can have too many. Especially if it comes at the expense of something equally or more important that we are sorely lacking.

I think Silayev is the opposite end of the spectrum as Parekh and I think we might end up with them lower on the list because they do represent the extreme ends.

Dickinson and Levshunov and Yakemchuk and Buium I think are better bets to possibly be the do it all, two-way, number one type like Dahlin, Dobson, or McAvoy. The type we don’t have, that can’t be traded for, must be drafted, and usually really early.

 

[rt]

So I guess if I had to predict our list (it’ll change a bunch, lots of hockey to play still) it would be more like this:

A. Celebrini
——————
B. Demidov*
——————
C. Levshunov/Dickinson
——————
D. Yakemchuk/Buium/Lindstrom**
——————
E. Silayev/Parekh

*possible DND pending contract concerns
**possible DND pending injury concerns

 

[Jagged Ice]

both rumored to extend current contract by 1yr - so their contract would be thru '25-26 season)...that would annoy me if we have to wait another 2yrs.

I hope they don't do that. We need to bring them in for prospects camp in July. Give 'em a little taste of Scottsdale for a week or two right after we purchase that land and draft Demidov or Silayev.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Buium is one of my favorites I've seen so far. I wouldn't be upset at all taking him top 3.

 

[Jagged Ice]

There's so much to love about all these D, but Dickinson has safe written all over him. He seems to have the highest floor of the bunch to me and a surefire bet to develop into a solid contributor.

A) Levshunov/Dickinson
B) Silayev
C) Yakemchuk
D) Buium/Parekh

 

[rt]

Buium is one of my favorites I've seen so far. I wouldn't be upset at all taking him top 3.

I’m totally fine with anyone who has Buium as their top rated D. I get it. He’s not my top rated. But it’s so close.

 

[Grimes]

There's so much to love about all these D, but Dickinson has safe written all over him. He seems to have the highest floor of the bunch to me and a surefire bet to develop into a solid contributor.

A) Levshunov/Dickinson
B) Silayev
C) Yakemchuk
D) Buium/Parekh

I don't love fallers in their draft year. But I don't mind players who get overlooked and I feel Dickinson is that. He was considered the top defenseman going into this draft and honestly nothing from his play has changed and there really isn't much reason to not consider him the best still.

Unfortunately he is up a pedigree horse caliber blueliner in Levshunov and a coaches dream in Silayev and both have been risers.

Dickinson reminded me more of a Pietrangelo light two seasons ago (mostly from highlights and what I read mind you). This year he's felt a lot more like Noah Dobson his draft year. But I guarantee that not a single Islander is upset about having Dobson. And I, at times, think I'd prefer him over Quinn Hughes from the same draft year.

Dickinson keeps climbing back up my rankings, but him being LD is always a slight smack in the face.

 

[rt]

There's so much to love about all these D, but Dickinson has safe written all over him. He seems to have the highest floor of the bunch to me and a surefire bet to develop into a solid contributor.

A) Levshunov/Dickinson
B) Silayev
C) Yakemchuk
D) Buium/Parekh

In the most recent OHL coach’s poll, where all the head and assistant coaches in the league are anonymously surveyed about the players outside of their own teams, within their conference, Sam Dickinson was voted as the 2nd best defensive defenseman. He was a single vote shy of 1st place. This is a draft eligible player. Which is unreal given that he has elite, elite, elite offensive production relative to other draft eligible defensemen in the OHL over the last 15-20yrs (his entire lifetime).

 

[Grimes]

Buium is one of my favorites I've seen so far. I wouldn't be upset at all taking him top 3.

I got to see Buium when he played against ASU. I was so impressed. I couldn't believe the amount of minutes they were giving the kid, he was seemingly out there the entire game. Then I realized his brother was also on the team. Either way, but are huge and both can skate. And DU seems exactly like the team BA is trying to build.

 

[rt]

I don't love fallers in their draft year. But I don't mind players who get overlooked and I feel Dickinson is that. He was considered the top defenseman going into this draft and honestly nothing from his play has changed and there really isn't much reason to not consider him the best still.

Unfortunately he is up a pedigree horse caliber blueliner in Levshunov and a coaches dream in Silayev and both have been risers.

Dickinson reminded me more of a Pietrangelo light two seasons ago (mostly from highlights and what I read mind you). This year he's felt a lot more like Noah Dobson his draft year. But I guarantee that not a single Islander is upset about having Dobson. And I, at times, think I'd prefer him over Quinn Hughes from the same draft year.

Dickinson keeps climbing back up my rankings, but him being LD is always a slight smack in the face.

Yeah the LD thing is tough after investing a 6th overall pick in Simashev just last year. As well as a pair of recent 2nds in Moser and Duda. I suppose too many top LD’s is a good problem to have. But it would still be better if he shot right, haha.

 

[Grimes]

Yeah the LD thing is tough after investing a 6th overall pick in Simashev just last year. As well as a pair of recent 2nds in Moser and Duda. I suppose too many top LD’s is a good problem to have. But it would still be better if he shot right, haha.

Seems like teams split up their top guys and find success anyways.

NYI
Dobson and Pulock on different pairs

NYR
Fox on a different pair than Miller/Trouba

FLO
Ekblad and Montour on different pairs

So having something like
Dickinson - Mav
Simashev - Durzi
Moser - Duda
Doesn't worry at all.

 

[rt]

Is Simashev BA’s new Parayko? And would that make Dickinson his new Pietrangelo?

Seems like teams split up their top guys and find success anyways.

NYI
Dobson and Pulock on different pairs

NYR
Fox on a different pair than Miller/Trouba

FLO
Ekblad and Montour on different pairs

So having something like
Dickinson - Mav
Simashev - Durzi
Moser - Duda
Doesn't worry at all.

Pronger & Niedermayer in Anaheim. I think that 3rd pair must’ve played about 6min per game. Lol.

 

[Jakey53]

I don't think that plays into it.
Bill knows what he wants and he wants a lot of it.

If the coach demands a dynamo puck moving D (like Ghost or Durzi) then Bill can find one without paying through the nose.

My guess for Bill's top 5 is...

Celebrini
Silayev
Lindstrom
Yakemchuk
Levshunov

Name a dynamic puck moving D that we can get WITHOUT paying through the nose.

 

[lanky]

Name a dynamic puck moving D that we can get WITHOUT paying through the nose.

I mentioned Ghost and Durzi because they were recent examples.

I dunno for sure who could be had and for what. An Avs fan came around here recently and floated the idea of Girard to the Yotes. He's having a down year but could fit the bill.

It's kinda moot though because I think Bill wants more weight and aggression from our D. Not less.

 

[rt]

I mentioned Ghost and Durzi because they were recent examples.

I dunno for sure who could be had and for what. An Avs fan came around here recently and floated the idea of Girard to the Yotes. He's having a down year but could fit the bill.

It's kinda moot though because I think Bill wants more weight and aggression from our D. Not less.

We’ve got what we hope to be the top of the lineup version of that. No need to spend top five picks to push that down the depth chart. You can add more of that depth more cheaply. 3x 1sts in three years on that profile wouldn’t be investing wisely, IMO.

Girard is another example of a flawed specialist that needs to be kept lower in the line up or sheltered. Those guys are cheap. But we aren’t talking about overdrafting that specific profile. The Girard, Durzi and Ghost archetypes aren’t the same as the Pietrangelo, Dobson, McAvoy archetypes. The kind you want on the ice for as much time EV as humanly possible in all three zones, up a goal, down a goal, PP, PK, last minute, etc.

if you want weight and aggression look to Yakemchuk.

 

[Heldig]

So I guess if I had to predict our list (it’ll change a bunch, lots of hockey to play still) it would be more like this:

A. Celebrini
——————
B. Demidov*
——————
C. Levshunov/Dickinson
——————
D. Yakemchuk/Buium/Lindstrom**
——————
E. Silayev/Parekh

*possible DND pending contract concerns
**possible DND pending injury concerns

So it looks like the Yotes will draft 6th or 7th OA. Currently sitting at 5th, we undoubtedly will win too much in the last 2 weeks and jump Montreal or Ottawa in the standings. Plus I expect Pittsburgh to win the lottery and jump ahead of us too.

From what I have read, I would be happy to land any of the guys in the D and E pools. Great year for D.

 

[Schemp]

I’m totally fine with anyone who has Buium as their top rated D. I get it. He’s not my top rated. But it’s so close.

I wonder if which ever team drafts Buium will also end up with his brother the following year for free (or for this next season after Detroit trades his rights)?
However both are LHDs.

 

[Nowotny]

Pittsburgh is destined to win (again).

Montreal...they need center to play with Slavkovsky

 

[Kaizen]

I mentioned Ghost and Durzi because they were recent examples.

I dunno for sure who could be had and for what. An Avs fan came around here recently and floated the idea of Girard to the Yotes. He's having a down year but could fit the bill.

It's kinda moot though because I think Bill wants more weight and aggression from our D. Not less.

If TML don't lock up Edmundson I would expect BA to try and bring him in on a shorter term. He is certainly an injury risk but he checks a lot of boxes.

 

[lanky]

If TML don't lock up Edmundson I would expect BA to try and bring him in on a shorter term. He is certainly an injury risk but he checks a lot of boxes.

Edmunson, Dillon and Zadorov are all potential upgrades on Dermott who also bring Brown's size.

I haven't given up on the Hanifin dream yet, but acknowledge it's unlikely.

 

[hbk]

I wonder if which ever team drafts Buium will also end up with his brother the following year for free (or for this next season after Detroit trades his rights)?
However both are LHDs.

i don't get the fascination of reuniting brothers.

 

[Schemp]

i don't get the fascination of reuniting brothers.

I'm making the assumption that's what the brothers want and can do as Shai will be a UFA after next season and Detroit loses his rights. They are currently on the same team at the moment and Shai has no reason to sign until after Zeev gets selected in the entry draft.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I think it does matter. It’s really hard to get an elite two-way D. The Gostisbeheres and Durzis I think can fill in some gaps but you need that elite two-way talent at the top of your blueline if you want to be a serious contender.

I looked at the top 25 D in EVTOI/GP and 80% of those guys also get at least a minute and a half of PP TOI/GP.

I think the vast majority of Cup winners have a No.1 D who can also QB their PP.

I love Simashev and Lamoureux. And I love Silayev, too. These are super fun prospects. I’m really honestly a big fan. I don’t see any of them getting top PP time. I think they’re more like a mash up of K’Andre Miller, Colton Parayko, and Adam Larsson to some degree. Which are 3 of the 5 guys from my list who don’t get significant PP time. Those guys are valuable. And I’m glad we have a couple of them that could really project to the high end of that role. That’s important.

I do think you can have too many. Especially if it comes at the expense of something equally or more important that we are sorely lacking.

I think Silayev is the opposite end of the spectrum as Parekh and I think we might end up with them lower on the list because they do represent the extreme ends.

Dickinson and Levshunov and Yakemchuk and Buium I think are better bets to possibly be the do it all, two-way, number one type like Dahlin, Dobson, or McAvoy. The type we don’t have, that can’t be traded for, must be drafted, and usually really early.

Dickinson doesn't project as a two way D. I think he'll have some offense and he may have a few years where he puts up good points but he's more of a Seabrook type than the guys you mentioned.

I think if Lamoreaux keeps developing like this he has a legit shot at becoming a #1 2 way D. Unfortunately the shoulder injury this year isn't great for his development and was super disappointing.

 

[rt]

Dickinson doesn't project as a two way D. I think he'll have some offense and he may have a few years where he puts up good points but he's more of a Seabrook type than the guys you mentioned.

I think if Lamoreaux keeps developing like this he has a legit shot at becoming a #1 2 way D. Unfortunately the shoulder injury this year isn't great for his development and was super disappointing.

I couldn’t disagree more. I’ve managed to catch quite a few games of both and I’m having a hard time seeing where you’re coming from on this perspective.