Pre-Game Talk: 2023 Draft

[Justicebork]

We are striking gold at this year's draft. Book it.

 

[LBS I Digress]

We are striking gold at this year's draft. Book it.

If there’s a year to do it, it’s this one. I know there’s expectations that we might try to flip our first at the draft, but some of the players that might still be around by the time our pick comes up are very intriguing. (ie - Matt Wood, Jayden Perron, Mikhail Gulyavev, and possibly players like Andrew Cristall and Gabe Perrault could fall as well) LOTS of prospects with some pretty high upside for as far down as we’re picking.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Because we don’t really believe in Pyotr’s readiness yet, I think we end up eating Murray’s deal to swap the boston pick for our 2nd rounder. Then we sell our pick off for a good player. Then trade the Boston pick for a couple of 2nds. That way we get a good player, have 2 picks and get an emergency backup with nhl experience.

 

[ONO94]

We are striking gold at this year's draft. Book it.

I can totally understand your desire to hit Adam--the guy is a dolt....but why wait until the draft?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

@Lempo

What is the word on Haltunnen? You think he rushed himself to Liiga to try to put up decent numbers against men to up his draft status from bottom 1st rounder to top half? Which back fired. Either way it seems like he still has a lot of potential and be a good pick when we trade down

 

[Lempo]

@Lempo

What is the word on Haltunnen? You think he rushed himself to Liiga to try to put up decent numbers against men to up his draft status from bottom 1st rounder to top half? Which back fired. Either way it seems like he still has a lot of potential and be a good pick when we trade down

There's nothing alarming, he's expected to make his breakthrough next season. HIFK was a mess and in the headlines in the early season as the "Chrisis HIFK", they only got it turned around after the Spengler Cup. Developing Halttunen wasn't a priority in the circumstances, not that it would have been anyway.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

There's nothing alarming, he's expected to make his breakthrough next season. HIFK was a mess and in the headlines in the early season as the "Chrisis HIFK", they only got it turned around after the Spengler Cup. Developing Halttunen wasn't a priority in the circumstances, not that it would have been anyway.

He did have one major concussion in his young career.

Ive seen his name going in the 20s and into the mid 40s. I like what I saw so, I figured I would ask.

 

[Lempo]

He did have one major concussion in his young career.

Ive seen his name going in the 20s and into the mid 40s. I like what I saw so, I figured I would ask.

He did get hit ugly in October. A singular online poster I saw felt that he perhaps wasn't quite the same after, but who knows.



I don't follow Liiga and don't know crap so whenever I'm asked of a Finn player, what I do is I google and do some checks at educatedly-guessed places. The consensus seem to not worry of him.

 

[The Jerk Store]

Hopefully Connor Bedard drops to #30 and we snag him.

 

[Bub]

Hopefully Connor Bedard drops to #30 and we snag him.

Another gnat-sized forward? No thanks.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Another gnat-sized forward? No thanks.

I dunno, he had okay size.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

listening to the Friedman podcast, who is the dumb team that selects Kai Uchacz? Which team will dominate the conversations with the leagues race issue? They ignore the issue to draft his 50 goals scored in the 3rd round or later.

I dont usually pay a ton of attention of WHL teams and players that arent hurricanes draftees. I was unaware of this situation.

 

[A Star is Burns]

For those like me that also hadn't heard of him or listened to the podcast yet:

Red Deer Rebels acquire Kai Uchacz from Seattle Thunderbirds - Red Deer Advocate

The Prospects of NHL Prospect Kai Uchacz

 

[Francis10]

Didn’t know his back story.

 

[Lempo]

listening to the Friedman podcast, who is the dumb team that selects Kai Uchacz?

Only a complete moran would select Chaczi.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I wonder if Philly with their new President of Hockey Ops would take a Flyer on him.

I hear Jonesy loves Chaczi.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I wonder if Philly with their new President of Hockey Ops would take a Flyer on him.

I hear Jonesy loves Chaczi.

 

[WreckingCrew]

listening to the Friedman podcast, who is the dumb team that selects Kai Uchacz? Which team will dominate the conversations with the leagues race issue? They ignore the issue to draft his 50 goals scored in the 3rd round or later.

I dont usually pay a ton of attention of WHL teams and players that arent hurricanes draftees. I was unaware of this situation.

For those like me that also hadn't heard of him or listened to the podcast yet:

Red Deer Rebels acquire Kai Uchacz from Seattle Thunderbirds - Red Deer Advocate

The Prospects of NHL Prospect Kai Uchacz

He's 20, an overager, so scoring 50G this year may not play a huge role in whether or not he's drafted. There's always a few PPG overagers who go undrafted bc they can dominate at that age but don't have much higher potential or skills that could grow into NHL level.

Also, here I was thinking maybe this just happened, but it was 2 years ago. He basically missed a whole season, went through a Diversity Coaching program, was evaluated and reinstated under a strict zero-tolerance policy. He's since played 2 years, so I presume he's had no incidents since? And here we go again with the whole "cancel culture" type thing...is he permanently punished, ridiculed, & irredeemable for something he did/said when he was 17? Has he "served his time" and made amends and deserve another chance? Has he truly changed or just putting up a front? There will always be a sect of folks who will forgive him too easily, and a sect who will forever see him as a villain...and they likely won't budge.

 

[DaveG]

can't see us being interested anyway, I can't even remember the last time we took a double overage skater. Was that Martin Vagner way back when we hosted the draft?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

can't see us being interested anyway, I can't even remember the last time we took a double overage skater. Was that Martin Vagner way back when we hosted the draft?

we have taken a couple since.

Kochetkov
Elynuik in 2016

 

[DaveG]

we have taken a couple since.

Kochetkov
Elynuik in 2016

Kochetkov and Andersen I don't count (he was one as well) since they're goalies, that can be a very different situation if they're stuck behind a veteran guy until their overage year(s). I also don't recall Elynuik being an over-ager, only a few months older than Bean who was young for that draft.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kochetkov and Andersen I don't count (he was one as well) since they're goalies, that can be a very different situation if they're stuck behind a veteran guy until their overage year(s). I also don't recall Elynuik being an over-ager, only a few months older than Bean who was young for that draft.

wrong name out of the hat. De Jong was a single overager. Lorentz was as well.

edit finally found it. Brendan Woods was the other 20 year old we selected.

 

[Francis10]

can't see us being interested anyway, I can't even remember the last time we took a double overage skater. Was that Martin Vagner way back when we hosted the draft?

Ya no chance we even come close to picking him.

Good question though DaveG. Justin Shugg in 2010?

 

[zman77]

2023 Draft Rankings: Top 100​

EOTP’s 2023 Consensus NHL Draft Rankings

The 2023 NHL Entry Draft begins on Wednesday, and EOTP has been keeping track of most of the rankings to come out ahead of the draft. Some rankings have more correlation to how the draft will unfold…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

RK	NAME	POS	HT	WT	DOB	S	LEAGUE	AVG	DROP	RANGE	BEST
1	CONNOR BEDARD	C	5'10"	185	2005-07-17	R	WHL	1.00	NA	0	1
2	ADAM FANTILLI	C	6'2"	187	2004-10-12	L	NCAA	2.00	1.00	1	2
3	LEO CARLSSON	C/W	6'3"	194	2004-12-26	L	SHL	3.46	1.46	2	2
4	MATVEI MICHKOV	RW	5'10"	148	2004-12-09	L	KHL	3.54	0.08	3	2
5	WILL SMITH	C	6'0"	172	2005-03-17	R	USDP	5.38	1.85	4	4
6	ZACH BENSON	F	5'10"	159	2005-05-12	L	WHL	7.08	1.69	12	5
7	RYAN LEONARD	C	5'11"	181	2005-01-21	R	USDP	8.69	1.62	17	5
8	DALIBOR DVORSKÝ	C	6'1"	201	2005-06-15	L	ALLSVENSKAN	10.31	1.62	15	6
9	OLIVER MOORE	C	5'11"	176	2005-01-22	L	USDP	10.62	0.31	19	6
10	AXEL SANDIN PELLIKKA	D	5'11"	181	2005-03-11	R	SHL	12.00	1.38	21	5
11	DAVID REINBACHER	D	6'2"	187	2004-10-25	R	NL	12.54	0.54	17	6
12	MATTHEW WOOD	F	6'3"	190	2005-02-06	R	NCAA	15.77	3.23	30	7
13	COLBY BARLOW	LW	6'1"	187	2005-02-14	L	OHL	16.23	0.46	27	6
14	GABE PERREAULT	RW	5'11"	165	2005-05-07	L	USDP	16.46	0.23	20	7
15	DMITRI SIMASHEV	D	6'4"	201	2005-02-04	L	KHL	17.23	0.77	33	5
16	NATE DANIELSON	C	6'1"	185	2004-09-27	R	WHL	18.62	1.38	24	7
17	EDUARD SALE	RW	6'1"	168	2005-03-10	L	CZECHIA	19.85	1.23	25	7
18	SAMUEL HONZEK	C	6'4"	185	2004-11-12	L	WHL	20.15	0.31	32	12
19	BRAYDEN YAGER	C	6'0"	165	2005-01-03	R	WHL	20.54	0.38	23	10
20	TOM WILLANDER	D	6'1"	179	2005-02-09	R	J20 NATIONELL	20.62	0.08	29	8
21	ANDREW CRISTALL	LW	5'10"	165	2005-02-04	L	WHL	21.23	0.62	57	11
22	QUENTIN MUSTY	LW	6'2"	205	2005-07-06	L	OHL	21.31	0.08	36	11
23	CALUM RITCHIE	C	6'2"	187	2005-01-21	R	OHL	21.46	0.15	26	13
24	OTTO STENBERG	C/W	5'11"	181	2005-05-29	L	J20 NATIONELL	21.69	0.23	24	12
25	GAVIN BRINDLEY	RW	5'9"	157	2004-10-05	R	NCAA	22.85	1.15	42	9
26	MIKHAIL GULYAYEV	D	5'10"	170	2005-04-26	L	MHL	25.38	2.54	30	13
27	RILEY HEIDT	F	5'11"	179	2005-03-25	L	WHL	26.54	1.15	50	15
28	DANIIL BUT	LW	6'5"	203	2005-02-15	R	MHL	26.77	0.23	41	7
29	ETHAN GAUTHIER	RW	5'11"	176	2005-01-26	R	QMJHL	32.85	6.08	77	17
30	BRADLY NADEAU	C	5'10"	163	2005-05-05	R	BCHL	35.08	2.23	25	21
31	GRACYN SAWCHYN	C	5'11"	165	2005-01-19	R	WHL	36.46	1.38	103	13
32	DAVID EDSTROM	C	6'3"	187	2005-02-18	L	J20 NATIONELL	37.54	1.08	45	18
33	OLIVER BONK	D	6'1"	176	2005-01-09	R	OHL	38.15	0.62	70	16
34	JAYDEN PERRON	F	5'8"	157	2005-01-11	R	USHL	39.23	1.08	95	12
35	OSCAR FISKER MØLGAARD	F	6'0"	163	2005-02-18	L	SHL	39.46	0.23	56	23
36	LUKAS DRAGICEVIC	D	6'2"	181	2005-04-25	R	WHL	39.77	0.31	40	20
37	TANNER MOLENDYK	D	5'11"	176	2005-02-03	L	WHL	40.38	0.62	43	25
38	MICHAEL HRABAL	G	6'6"	209	2005-01-20	L	USHL	41.62	1.23	37	24
39	KASPER HALTTUNEN	RW	6'3"	207	2005-06-07	R	LIIGA	41.77	0.15	41	23
40	NICK LARDIS	RW	5'10"	154	2005-07-08	L	OHL	44.08	2.31	64	30
41	ANTON WAHLBERG	C	6'3"	185	2005-07-04	L	J20 NATIONELL	46.15	2.08	68	28
42	KOEHN ZIEMMER	RW	6'0"	194	2004-12-08	R	WHL	47.54	1.38	44	31
43	CHARLIE STRAMEL	F	6'3"	216	2004-10-15	R	NCAA	47.62	0.08	45	23
44	TREY AUGUSTINE	G	6'1"	179	2005-02-23	L	USDP	48.15	0.54	44	33
45	THEO LINDSTEIN	D	6'0"	181	2005-01-05	L	SHL	50.54	2.38	56	24
46	CADEN PRICE	D	6'1"	181	2005-08-24	L	WHL	51.69	1.15	52	28
47	ÉTIENNE MORIN	D	6'0"	183	2005-03-09	L	QMJHL	51.69	0.00	79	32
48	WILLIAM WHITELAW	C	5'9"	172	2005-02-05	R	USHL	52.23	0.54	89	23
49	BEAU AKEY	D	6'0"	170	2005-02-11	R	OHL	52.46	0.23	62	32
50	LUCA CAGNONI	D	5'10"	172	2004-12-21	L	WHL	53.08	0.62	93	17
51	CARSON REHKOPF	C/LW	6'1"	194	2005-01-07	L	OHL	55.15	2.08	46	36
52	HUNTER BRZUSTEWICZ	D	6'0"	187	2004-11-29	R	OHL	56.00	0.85	59	32
53	DANNY NELSON	F	6'3"	203	2005-08-03	L	USDP	56.23	0.23	82	28
54	ARAM MINNETIAN	D	6'0"	170	2005-03-19	R	USDP	57.46	1.23	67	43
55	MAXIM STRBAK	D	6'2"	198	2005-04-13	R	USHL	58.15	0.69	77	33
56	KALAN LIND	F	6'0"	154	2005-01-25	L	WHL	60.08	1.92	66	44
57	CARSON BJARNASON	G	6'3"	181	2005-06-30	L	WHL	60.23	0.15	85	24
58	LENNI HÄMEENAHO	F	6'0"	174	2004-11-07	R	LIIGA	60.54	0.31	53	31
59	MATHIEU CATAFORD	RW	5'11"	187	2005-03-01	R	QMJHL	62.08	1.54	71	39
60	LUCA PINELLI	C	5'9"	161	2005-04-05	L	OHL	63.46	1.38	85	37
61	JAKUB DVORAK	D	6'5"	203	2005-05-25	L	CZECHIA	64.23	0.77	54	43
62	ALEX CIERNIK	LW/RW	5'10"	179	2004-10-08	L	J20 NATIONELL	65.77	1.54	86	19
63	AYDAR SUNIEV	LW	6'2"	205	2004-11-16	L	BCHL	67.00	1.23	81	31
64	ROMAN KANTSEROV	F	5'9"	176	2004-09-20	L	MHL	67.00	0.00	64	32
65	DENVER BARKEY	C	5'8"	174	2005-04-27	L	OHL	68.15	1.15	65	36
66	COULSON PITRE	C	6'1"	172	2004-12-13	R	OHL	68.46	0.31	60	50
67	FELIX NILSSON	C/W	6'0"	174	2005-06-22	L	J20 NATIONELL	68.92	0.46	76	41
68	NICO MYATOVIC	F	6'2"	181	2004-12-01	L	WHL	69.38	0.46	68	44
69	ANDREW STRATHMANN	D	5'11"	174	2005-02-27	L	USHL	70.77	1.38	75	47
70	EASTON COWAN	C	5'10"	170	2005-05-20	L	OHL	71.46	0.69	89	29
71	JACOB FOWLER	G	6'2"	201	2004-11-24	L	USHL	71.69	0.23	65	45
72	CAMERON ALLEN	D	5'11"	190	2005-01-07	R	OHL	73.38	1.69	66	44
73	NOAH DOWER NILSSON	C	6'0"	183	2005-04-25	L	J20 NATIONELL	75.38	2.00	82	41
74	ADAM GAJAN	G	6'4"	176	2004-05-06	L	USHL	75.92	0.54	76	34
75	ANDREW GIBSON	D	6'3"	190	2005-02-13	R	OHL	76.31	0.38	69	46
76	JESSE KIISKINEN	RW	6'0"	187	2005-08-23	R	U20 SM-SARJA	77.54	1.23	197	48
77	CAREY TERRANCE	C	6'1"	174	2005-05-10	L	OHL	78.31	0.77	79	49
78	ALEXANDER RYKOV	RW	5'11"	170	2005-07-14	L	VHL	79.77	1.46	196	28
79	FELIX UNGER SÖRUM	F	5'11"	172	2005-09-14	R	J20 NATIONELL	80.00	0.23	93	37
80	JURAJ PEKARCIK	LW/C	6'2"	183	2005-09-12	L	SLOVAKIA	81.38	1.38	113	39
81	TIMUR MUKHANOV	C	5'8"	170	2005-06-17	R	MHL	83.38	2.00	130	22
82	MARTIN MISIAK	C	6'2"	198	2004-09-30	L	SLOVAKIA	83.92	0.54	95	35
83	QUINTON BURNS	D	6'1"	179	2005-04-14	L	OHL	84.62	0.69	82	40
84	NOEL NORDH	LW/RW	6'2"	194	2005-01-25	L	J20 NATIONELL	87.00	2.38	119	42
85	MATTHEW MANIA	D	6'0"	187	2005-01-11	R	OHL	87.38	0.38	92	46
86	TRISTAN BERTUCCI	D	6'2"	179	2005-07-12	L	OHL	88.62	1.23	88	58
87	SCOTT RATZLAFF	G	6'1"	172	2005-03-09	L	WHL	91.92	3.31	77	69
88	GAVIN MCCARTHY	D	6'1"	181	2005-06-02	R	USHL	93.00	1.08	257	48
89	RASMUS KUMPULAINEN	F	6'2"	196	2005-08-08	L	U20 SM-SARJA	95.00	2.00	56	62
90	CARTER SOTHERAN	D	6'3"	185	2005-06-26	R	WHL	95.08	0.08	103	55
91	ARTTU KÄRKI	D	6'2"	176	2004-12-08	L	U20 SM-SARJA	97.62	2.54	120	41
92	AIDEN FINK	RW	5'9"	152	2004-11-24	R	AJHL	97.77	0.15	62	70
93	ETHAN MIEDEMA	LW	6'3"	181	2005-03-22	L	OHL	100.38	2.62	97	64
94	EMIL JÄRVENTIE	F	5'10"	168	2005-04-04	L	U20 SM-SARJA	100.54	0.15	84	62
95	DYLAN MACKINNON	D	6'2"	187	2005-01-12	R	QMJHL	100.85	0.31	68	60
96	TYLER PEDDLE	C/LW	6'1"	190	2005-01-28	L	QMJHL	100.92	0.08	74	63
97	JESSE NURMI	LW	5'11"	165	2005-03-07	L	U20 SM-SARJA	101.08	0.15	68	78
98	JORDAN TOURIGNY	D	5'11"	168	2005-02-28	R	QMJHL	103.08	2.00	96	56
99	HOYT STANLEY	D	6'2"	196	2005-02-04	R	BCHL	104.15	1.08	181	64
100	ALBERT WIKMAN	D	6'1"	194	2005-03-10	L	J20 NATIONELL	104.31	0.15	176	69

 

[chaz4hockey]

Sea is calm around the Borg's house right now.

It's day of draft, it's 9AM and we still have our pick(s) for tonight.