How do you fix the Wings?

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

What's the best pick you'd be willing to attach to Petry, Holl, Chiarot and Maatta to move them?

I think I'd trade a 3rd to move Petry, a 2nd to move Holl or Chiarot and a 4th to move Maatta.

I'd prefer to get rid of two of them, but I think one is absolutely necessary.

Also, what happens to the cap when a player is taken off the team for a non-play suspension? Obviously it's the kind of thing that just couldn't happen. But in theory could we get Lindstrom to pull Petry aside "hey I used to use steroids to keep my body in shape as I got older, wanna try some?" with the guys for the random screening waiting down the hall

Why would the Wings want to give up assets to move Chiarot, let alone a 2nd round pick? Or even Maatta for that matter?

Though I could see Maatta being packaged in a trade. But the intention not being simply to move him.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

So hear me out lol. I think our only other good option next year in that spot is Compher. They aren't going to start Mazur there and have two rookies on the line. We don't want Perron there because at this point he should be a PP specialist or late game offensive start guy.

I voted Ras over Compher because I did not love Comphers chemistry with Ray last season, and he'll be driving that line. I also like Ras's net front and board game better than Compher whose game is more in the mid ground. The idea behind the line is not dump and chase but possesion. Ras' skating prevents him from being an elite forechecker but if Ray/Danielson can get the puck in he is great at eating the puck along the boards in a cycle. This frees up Ray and Danielson to skate and get into good spots. Then you stick the slab that is Ras in front of the net and cause chaos while Ray and Danielson work. I am really hoping with a healthier offseason Ras can work and show up more like how he ended the 22/23 season. He needs to get his skating back up to that level. Plus I think Copp/Compher gives us a really solid shut down line with Fish.

To be clear I think Mazur and Kasper will replace Ras in a top 6 role pretty quickly but for the short term I think he is at least worth trying there.

1st and 3rd paragraph agree.

2nd paragraph just fuels my deep seeded disdain for Moose's unwilligness/incapability to be at least hammer and anvil for his team.

 

[Winger98]

Why would the Wings want to give up assets to move Chiarot, let alone a 2nd round pick? Or even Maatta for that matter?

Though I could see Maatta being packaged in a trade. But the intention not being simply to move him.

more to the point, I don't think the Wings would have to sweeten the pot to move either of them. There are always teams looking for blueline help. If we are in a position to start dealing from a surplus, there will be takers.

1st and 3rd paragraph agree.

2nd paragraph just fuels my deep seeded disdain for Moose's unwilligness/incapability to be at least hammer and anvil for his team.

I'd just move Compher to 2c, Ras to 3w, and move Danielson to 2w. Danielson could learn from Compher while having Ray on the line to play catch with. We already know Fischer/Copp/Ras can function as a 3rd line. Or you can bump fischer and put Mazur/Kaspar there.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

What would be the Ehlers cost in terms if assets plus contract?

Walman plus a 1st plus a depth prospect?

5 or 6 years at 7.5m?

 

[HisNoodliness]

Why would the Wings want to give up assets to move Chiarot, let alone a 2nd round pick? Or even Maatta for that matter?

Though I could see Maatta being packaged in a trade. But the intention not being simply to move him.

We need to open up space on our blue line for Edvinsson, Johansson and honestly, a potential upgrade. I evaluate all 4 (Holl, Petry, Chiarot and Maatta) as being effectively useless. Chiarot was a lot better this year-as long as we sheltered him more than a rookie stepping onto NHL ice for the first time.

Chiarot has 2 years and a M-NTC so he'd be the most costly to move. I have a hard time seeing anyone with a brain taking him for a third, and he should be able to block trades to the true bottom feeders that couldn't care less about the cap dump as long as they get a pick out of it. Maatta is the one I'd like to move least as I think he's arguably the best defenseman on the team (outside of Walman and Seider), and only has this year on his deal.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I evaluate all 4 (Holl, Petry, Chiarot and Maatta) as being effectively useless.

You evaluate.. poorly.

 

[HisNoodliness]

You evaluate.. poorly.

Do you honestly want any of those four on your second pairing?

 

[Oddbob]

What's the best pick you'd be willing to attach to Petry, Holl, Chiarot and Maatta to move them?

I think I'd trade a 3rd to move Petry, a 2nd to move Holl or Chiarot and a 4th to move Maatta.

I'd prefer to get rid of two of them, but I think one is absolutely necessary.

Also, what happens to the cap when a player is taken off the team for a non-play suspension? Obviously it's the kind of thing that just couldn't happen. But in theory could we get Lindstrom to pull Petry aside "hey I used to use steroids to keep my body in shape as I got older, wanna try some?" with the guys for the random screening waiting down the hall

Maatta would bring a 3rd or 4th, not cost us anything to move.

We need to open up space on our blue line for Edvinsson, Johansson and honestly, a potential upgrade. I evaluate all 4 (Holl, Petry, Chiarot and Maatta) as being effectively useless. Chiarot was a lot better this year-as long as we sheltered him more than a rookie stepping onto NHL ice for the first time.

Chiarot has 2 years and a M-NTC so he'd be the most costly to move. I have a hard time seeing anyone with a brain taking him for a third, and he should be able to block trades to the true bottom feeders that couldn't care less about the cap dump as long as they get a pick out of it. Maatta is the one I'd like to move least as I think he's arguably the best defenseman on the team (outside of Walman and Seider), and only has this year on his deal.

Maatta is an excellent 3rd pair option, not sure why everyone wants him gone. He babysat Ghost all year and did quite well. You aren't getting any better option to play 5-6 in the cap world.

 

[jkutswings]

Do you honestly want any of those four on your second pairing?

That's a very different question than whether they each have zero use.

Chiarot is fine as a 4/5 guy.

Maatta is tolerable on the third pair, but I'd rather move him and let a kid learn.

Petry alternates between decent third pairing play and awful mistakes. Assuming he has negligible trade value, he'd be fine as a seventh defenseman keeping the press box warm.

Holl has zero use. 'Bye Felicia.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

We need to open up space on our blue line for Edvinsson, Johansson and honestly, a potential upgrade. I evaluate all 4 (Holl, Petry, Chiarot and Maatta) as being effectively useless. Chiarot was a lot better this year-as long as we sheltered him more than a rookie stepping onto NHL ice for the first time.

Chiarot has 2 years and a M-NTC so he'd be the most costly to move. I have a hard time seeing anyone with a brain taking him for a third, and he should be able to block trades to the true bottom feeders that couldn't care less about the cap dump as long as they get a pick out of it. Maatta is the one I'd like to move least as I think he's arguably the best defenseman on the team (outside of Walman and Seider), and only has this year on his deal.

I strongly disagree with your analysis of Chiarot and Maatta. Maatta was sheltered, as he should be for a bottom pairing. He is in no way the third best Dman on the team.

In TOI/GP Chiarot was second only to Seider. Chiarot led the team in Even Strength TOI/GP. He was 3rd in PK time behind Seider and Walman, and second when Walman went down. In the last few games when there were crucial PK's it was Seider and Chiarot out there clearing the crease and blocking shots.

In what way was that "sheltered more than a rookie stepping onto the ice for the first time?"

Chiarot is signed for 2 more seasons for a reasonable AAV and is a good Dman. He also happens to be one of the Wings only physical Dmen. Short of packaging him in a trade that improves the Wings, giving up assets to move him doesn't make any sense.

Do you honestly want any of those four on your second pairing?

Yes. Chiarot for sure.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What's the best pick you'd be willing to attach to Petry, Holl, Chiarot and Maatta to move them?

I think I'd trade a 3rd to move Petry, a 2nd to move Holl or Chiarot and a 4th to move Maatta.

I'd prefer to get rid of two of them, but I think one is absolutely necessary.

Also, what happens to the cap when a player is taken off the team for a non-play suspension? Obviously it's the kind of thing that just couldn't happen. But in theory could we get Lindstrom to pull Petry aside "hey I used to use steroids to keep my body in shape as I got older, wanna try some?" with the guys for the random screening waiting down the hall

Maatta is worth a pick back. There’s no need to pay to dump him.

Holl should be traded with a pick. And Petry can LITRetire. Then Detroit can go about improving D personnel.

 

[norrisnick]

Maatta is a better defenseman than Chiarot. That is all.

 

[dalem177]

Chiarot is signed for 2 more seasons for a reasonable AAV and is a good Dman. He also happens to be one of the Wings only physical Dmen.

A thousand times yes. It's like Benny and Mo are the only ones who think they should be clearing the crease. Everyone else, even the guys I like, treat each game like graduation day from finishing school. I should do a bad pic of everyone with a stack of books on their head...

 

[19 for president]

Maatta is worth a pick back. There’s no need to pay to dump him.

Holl should be traded with a pick. And Petry can LITRetire. Then Detroit can go about improving D personnel.

I agree we shouldn't have to pay picks to dump Maata. At most we'd have to retain up to 1 mil in salary. He's a solid if unspectacular bottom pair dman.

Holl I don't think people take even with a pick unless we also eat salary. Eating a mil and a 3rd is probably better than buying him out. At least when his contract expires we'd be done with his cap hit that way.

Petry is probably our 7th. No one is trading for him until maybe the deadline (if he'd agree to it then) and buyout makes little sense cause we only save like 700k.

Agree with those above saying Chia is our best physical dman. He is good enough that I don't want to pay to dump him. Until Seider and Ed come into their own physically he is our best crease clearer. Again if we can knock him down to 3rd pair, I think a lot of people would like his game more.

 

[19 for president]

The odds of them starting Danielson as 2C without a legit NHL center like Compher there to split faceoffs with and carry some defensive responsibilities are minimal.

I don't disagree with this if Danielson struggles at faceoffs, but with that said Compher actually struggled last year at the dot with only a 44.8%. Ras was actually a bit higher at 48.6 although he obviously took a lot less faceoffs so I kind of take that with a grain of salt.

I get what you are saying though so I could totally see them switching Ras and Compher. Even if we switch the two though, I think I'd still like them to try Danielson at center have Compher at wing. He plays a true centers game and the faster he develops there at an NHL level the better off the Wings are. If he struggles then move him to wing, but he plays a very mature pro game.

 

[norrisnick]

If Kasper and Danielson make the jump, pair them with Compher and Copp for the middle 6 lines. Handedness wise it's probably best to go lefty/righty so you always have the preferred handedness out there. Lean on the kids for center as much as you can but swap to wing if need be.

Berggren - Compher/Kasper
Ras - Copp/Danielson