Why not? All of their defenceman were left-handed shots last year. Thats a recipe for disaster.
Phillips is that rare thing in Ottawa - a player who raises his game in the post-season.
He and Chara combine to make a great tandem at stopping big forwards. Why did Ottawa beat Philly twice - a lot of credit have to go to those two.
My take:
1. I don't want to move Phillips.
2. Chubarov isn't needed. Moving Bonk for picks would be better than wasting a roster space on Chubarov. If it doesn't hit, have size or go to the net then Ottawa doesn't need it. We have enough players. We need to move some of them to get the right kind of players.
Patrick Lalime >> Dan Cloutier
Patrick Lalime >> Brent Sopel
Patrick Lalime >>> Artem Chubarov
Chris Phillips >> Dan Cloutier
Chris Phillips > Brent Sopel
Chris Phillips >>> Artem Chubarov
Radek Bonk > Dan Cloutier
Radek Bonk > Brent Sopel
Radek Bonk >>> Artem Chubarov
Patrick Lalime >> Dan Cloutier
Patrick Lalime >> Brent Sopel
Patrick Lalime >>> Artem Chubarov
Chris Phillips >> Dan Cloutier
Chris Phillips > Brent Sopel
Chris Phillips >>> Artem Chubarov
Radek Bonk > Dan Cloutier
Radek Bonk > Brent Sopel
Radek Bonk >>> Artem Chubarov
Just my opinion but...
Patrick Lalime > Dan Cloutier
Patrick Lalime > Brent Sopel
Patrick Lalime >>> Artem Chubarov
Chris Phillips >> Dan Cloutier
Chris Phillips < Brent Sopel
Chris Phillips >>>> Artem Chubarov
Radek Bonk < Dan Cloutier
Radek Bonk <<< Brent Sopel
Radek Bonk > Artem Chubarov
Call me crazy but I don't enjoy floaters and Bonk's amongst the worst floaters in the league and always has been. I'm also about the only Sopel fan on the planet it seems so
Patrick Lalime >> Dan Cloutier
Patrick Lalime >> Brent Sopel
Patrick Lalime >>> Artem Chubarov
Chris Phillips >> Dan Cloutier
Chris Phillips > Brent Sopel
Chris Phillips >>> Artem Chubarov
Radek Bonk > Dan Cloutier
Radek Bonk > Brent Sopel
Radek Bonk >>> Artem Chubarov
ok there.. Next time leave your bias at the door.
Did you see Lalime's meltdown there in the playoffs.. he has absalutely no more value than Cloutier. The Canucks would have zero interest in picking him up. They either go with someone proven.. or they stick with Cloutier.
The floater himself Bonk?? he'll be one of the first guys getting shipped out of Ottawa. He'd have no place in Vancouver.. He's not a 3rd line centre, nor would he take the place of Sedin or Morrison.
I think it would be fair if Sopel and Phillips were taken out instead.
Lalime and Cloutier could both use a change of scenery. Cloutier has gotten better year after year while Lalime has alternated between one good year and one bad year.
Chubarov would give the Sens an elite defensive center who is good on faceoffs. Bonk would give the Canucks a big center would can play with offensive players.
Did you see Lalime's meltdown there in the playoffs.. he has absalutely no more value than Cloutier. The Canucks would have zero interest in picking him up. They either go with someone proven.. or they stick with Cloutier.
I think it would be fair if Sopel and Phillips were taken out instead.
Lalime and Cloutier could both use a change of scenery. Cloutier has gotten better year after year while Lalime has alternated between one good year and one bad year.
Chubarov would give the Sens an elite defensive center who is good on faceoffs. Bonk would give the Canucks a big center would can play with offensive players.
Bonk's trade value is far, far higher than Chubarov. Chubarov is a #3/#4 center, Bonk is a top six forward.
I'd love to have Phillips in a Canucks' jersey. Not crazy about the other parts of the deal(Cloutier > Lalime, don't like Bonk and his salary), but Sopel for Phillips would be an awesome trade for the Canucks. I like Sopel, but Phillips is the type of d-man the Canucks need(and most teams for that matter...).
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If that's the case then why was Chubarov third in ice time among Canuck forwards in this year's playoffs just like Bonk was for the Senators?
#3/4 centers don't get 19 minutes of ice time a game in the playoffs.
Chubarov was the #3 center on the Canucks in terms of ice time in the regular season. He was also #3 in Even strength icetime during the playoffs. He played a little more time overall because he was used extensively to kill penalties.
He is a third-line forward, who is useful on the PK. Certainly, a valuable guy and a nice third line center that most teams would like to have, but not close to being at Bonk's level.
Bonk has had 4 or 20 goal seasons in the NHL, including one 70 point season. Chubarov has a career high of 12 goals, and has never scored more than 20 points in the season.
Sorry dude. There is absolutely no comparison between the two players in terms of market value. Its an apples and oranges situation anyway.
Sorry dude. There is absolutely no comparison between the two players in terms of market value. Its an apples and oranges situation anyway.
But when you factor in their salaries, their values come closer IMO. Bonk makes $3.5 mil and must be qualified at that heading into the uncertainty of a new CBA. Not many teams could afford to pay that type of $$$ for a 2nd line center. His lackluster play of late would also drive teams away. Chubarov makes just under $850,000 and plays a style of game every team could use. Most teams in the league would be interested in him. I would wager that Chubarov's market value isn't much lower then Bonk's is when factoring in salary...
But when you factor in their salaries, their values come closer IMO. Bonk makes $3.5 mil and must be qualified at that heading into the uncertainty of a new CBA. Not many teams could afford to pay that type of $$$ for a 2nd line center. His lackluster play of late would also drive teams away. Chubarov makes just under $850,000 and plays a style of game every team could use. Most teams in the league would be interested in him. I would wager that Chubarov's market value isn't much lower then Bonk's is when factoring in salary...
Fine.
Morrison made something like 2.5 million as a #1 center last year. Kvasha made $800,000 as a third line center. Kvasha plays the same style as Chubarov, so I'm sure a lot of teams can use him. When you factor in the difference between salaries, I'm sure the Nucks would be willing to deal Morrison for Kvasha.
See? That kind of reasoning only goes so far. Bonk's salary is reasonable for what he brings to the ice, just like Morrison's salary. I'm willing to bet that, even in these difficult times for the $ in the NHL, there isn't a single GM in the league who would begin to consider Chubarov for Bonk. And, in fact, most GMs would rather fork out 4 million for a solid two-way #2 center than spend a million on a middle-of-the-pack third line center (and, don't kid yourself, Chubarov is no better than average for players of his ilk).
Kvasha plays the same style as Chubarov, so I'm sure a lot of teams can use him.
And, in fact, most GMs would rather fork out 4 million for a solid two-way #2 center than spend a million on a middle-of-the-pack third line center (and, don't kid yourself, Chubarov is no better than average for players of his ilk).
Kvasha plays nothing like Chubarov.
Chubarov could have been nominated for the Selke this year. If he plays in the East, he probably will be nominated in the future.
If you want to compare Chubarov to someone, try someone like John Madden.
ok there.. Next time leave your bias at the door.
