does his success with the devils - 22 wins, 9 losses, 2.29 gaavg, .920 save % - during marty's absence diminish brodeur's success in any way...
i remember all i heard during the late 90's was that "brodeur was a by product of the devils defense with stevens, niedermayer, daneyko nd their system, any goalie could perform well in their set up, etc..."
Even though he's been a huge surprise, I get nervous pretty much every time the opponent has the puck in the Devils zone. I never really feel that way with Brodeur, at all.
Even though he's been a huge surprise, I get nervous pretty much every time the opponent has the puck in the Devils zone. I never really feel that way with Brodeur, at all.
Brodeur does too many "little things" Clemmensen could never dream of doing.
Clemmensen rebound is back into the slot.
Brodeur rebound is straight to the corner or to a defenseman.
Clemmensen has really yet to win a game for us.. He's had 1 or 2 really strong performances, but he gives up the inevitable soft goal(s)
Like others have said, the forwards have been incredible for us this season.. Not only surprising us offensively, but they're very defensively responsible.. Which fills the lack of depth we have on the blueline
Clemmer has played well for us but I would give the forwards the edge on this run
If you want to look at just stats.. I guess you can make an argument.. Watch the game and it's no contest
You must have been asleep the last couple years when Brodeur has been winning Vezina trophies with legendary stalwarts infront of him like Ken Klee, Vitaly Vishnevski and Andy Greene.
Clemmer is playing incredible, but his rebound control is awful and so is his out of net play. It also doesnt hurt that the Devils score 4 goals a game.
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“I don’t think that I am trying to replace Marty or be as good as Marty,” Clemmensen said after practice Monday. “I feel like if I provide solid goaltending, the team will take care of itself. I don’t think I’ve had to be great this year. I don’t think there have been any games that I had to play great for us to win. I’ve just been solid.”
Bobby Holik:
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“What is different compared to most other teams is that the so-called star players are the top defensive players here,” said Bobby Holik, a member of the Devils’ first Cup champion in 1995 who was re-signed by Lamoriello in the offseason. “They are a lot more responsible and dedicated here than on other teams. When you have top players doing what needs to be done to win games, it’s a lot easier for everyone to pull in the same direction. That’s leadership.”
Brendan Shanahan:
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“It just goes to show that hockey is such a team sport,” said Shanahan, who has scored three goals in four games since his return to the Devils. “A strong collective group can accomplish a lot of things because there is no denying Marty is a superstar. What I didn’t realize was how good Clemmensen is and how strong and deep the group is here.”
If I may steer this thread back to hockey talk, as opposed to a platform for a baseless, yet all-too-predictable anti-Devil meme by one of the NYR Children of the Corn.... - Trottier
Oh, please. Clemmensen is downright scary sometimes because of his total lack of rebound control.
ive always said his rebounds are terrible. The forwards and defnense really have to be ready to not let there be a second shot, clemmensen is good at stopping the first shot.
people dont seem to realize how much more we have been scoring. i dont know where to find the stats to do a number crunch but check out how much more we have scored for clemmer and compare it to brodeur.
No...Marty is the best goalie I've ever seen...I don't need any stats for that...Clemmensen could be 30-0-0 with a 0.89 GAA and .976 save pct. this season and I still wouldn't think he's good...he's so awkward in net, scrambly, lacks rebound control and so on...
He's getting the job done for them, however he does it...but he hasn't changed my opinion about him really...I'm not one to fall for flavor of the month, or even year, goalies...and they seem to pop up a lot more often now-a-days, the line is nearly blurring...
i remember all i heard during the late 90's was that "brodeur was a by product of the devils defense with stevens, niedermayer, daneyko nd their system, any goalie could perform well in their set up, etc..."
Wha? So how is Clemmensen benefitting from their defensive unit of ten years ago?
Brodeur is a product of a system if a garbage goalie like Clemmenson can step in and put up equal or better numbers.
That's what I understood the OP to imply, that's not my opinion.
At the same time, the numbers don't mean anything. It's not the numbers that make Brodeur good. It's all those things that he does that other goalies (AKA Clemmensen) can't, and those things don't necessarily show up in the numbers.
At the same time, the numbers don't mean anything. It's not the numbers that make Brodeur good. It's all those things that he does that other goalies (AKA Clemmensen) can't, and those things don't necessarily show up in the numbers.
maybe brodeur wouldnt be so downright scary if he was on a weaker team?
The Devils as a team have simply been playing really, really well since around the time Brodeur went down. The scoring is up, the defensive play hasn't really suffered for it. That's a good recipe for excellent goaltending numbers.
maybe brodeur wouldnt be so downright scary if he was on a weaker team?
our team last year wasnt very pretty. Our defense didnt really find their niche until later in the year, partially because we lost rafalski and white was out for a while along with many rookies playing for us. the forwards didnt put up too too impressive numbers. all im saying is he was able to put a 7/8 seed team to 4th, almost 2nd
There are two things that I can point out to dismiss the argument in the first post:
1. Kevin Weekes's numbers. 2. The Devils Record in games in which they score 2 goals or less with and without Brodeur.
Someone posted it on the Devs board a few weeks ago, and this stat is ridiculous. The devs have lost nearly all the games when they only scored 2 goals with Weekes and Clemmer opposed to the Devs winning the majority with marty in net....
Marty had 2 shutouts in 10 games folks. Clemmer/Weekes haven't had one.....
Someone posted it on the Devs board a few weeks ago, and this stat is ridiculous. The devs have lost nearly all the games when they only scored 2 goals with Weekes and Clemmer opposed to the Devs winning the majority with marty in net....
Marty had 2 shutouts in 8 games folks. Clemmer hasn't had one.....
i posted it, i will try an dig it up. the stat was brodeurs record when the devils scored 3 or more goals. just 3. the stat was pretty shocking
