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11-20-2008, 02:19 PM
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Montréal Media: Evil or not? (Not)

Who are we talking about?

Let's see:

La Presse :
  • Mathias Brunet
  • Jean-François Bégin
  • Marc-Antoine Godin
  • Richard Labbé
  • Simon Drouin
  • François Gagnon
  • Pierre Ladouceur
  • Miguel Bujold
  • Réjean Tremblay
  • Ronald King
  • Michel Blanchard

Journal De Montréal :
  • Pierre Durocher
  • Martin Leclerc
  • Marc De Foy
  • Serge Touchette
  • Bertrand Raymond
  • Daniel Cloutier
  • Charles Rooke
  • Serge Vleminckx
  • Gilles Vachet
  • Mario Brisebois
  • François Ferland

Le Devoir :
  • Jean Dion

The Gazette :
  • Red Fisher
  • Pat Hickey
  • Dave Stubbs
  • Jack Todd
  • Ian McDonald
  • Paul Carbray
  • Stephanie Myles
  • Dave Yates
RDS:
  • Luc Gélinas
  • Joel Bouchard
  • Martin Dion
  • Alain Crête
  • Chantal Machabée
  • Renaud Lavoie
  • Félix Séguin
  • Denis Casavant
  • Rodger Brulotte
  • Alain ‘Le Baron’ Chantelois
  • Michel Bergeron
  • Dave Morissette
  • Yannick Bouchard
  • Jacques Demers
  • Gaston Therrien
  • Normand Flynn
  • Pierre Vercheval

CKAC-Chorus Sport :
  • Michel Langevin
  • Dave Morissette
  • Gabriel Grégoire
  • Jacques Thériault
  • Jean-Charles Lajoie
  • Michel Villeneuve
  • Martine Lemay
  • Jérémie Rainville
  • Ron Fournier
  • Martin McGuire
  • Dany Dubé
  • Jeremy Filosa

TEAM990 :
  • Denis Casavant
  • Shaun Starr
  • Elliot Price
  • Rod Francis
  • Tony Marinaro
  • PJ Stock
  • Mitch Melnick
  • Andie Bennet
  • Picard

Most guests of La Zone and 100% already work either for a newspaper or a radio station, so there’s no need to rewrite them all. The few exceptions are former players who had to retire early because they weren’t good enough (Marc Bureau, Éric Fichaud, Patrick Boileau, Donald Audette, Stéphan Lebeau, Jocelyn Thibault, ect). Aside from Bureau who I think we can all agree has some personnal issue (i.e. he’s a dick), the others are doing a fine job on La Zone. So is Enrico Ciccone who is a former player but also an agent wich brings an interesting and different perspective. Radio-Canada does have René Pothier and Gérard Gagnon creeping in their corridors, so they get spots around the table. They’re not controversial, just boring.

The names of Michel Bergeron, Jean Perron and Jacques Demers could have linked to almost every network and radio-station from one time or another. Those three need to go. Demers is the less annoying of the three and doesn’t have a history of being a xenophobe like Bergeron or a kid who probably rode the small bus like Perron, but his expertise is pretty narrow. He’s not a detriment like the other two so I guess I can tolerate him, but Bergeron and Perron shouldn’t be hired by anyone with respect for the viewers/listeners.

So what are we left with? La Presse and Le Journal De Montréal have a majority of good, objective, decent and competent journalists. Of course, Réjean Tremblay and Bertrand Raymond are becoming old-timers more interested in their own prestige and human-interest stories than real information. Tremblay has a personnal vendetta against the Habs organization since Gainey banned columnist from flying with the team. He now needs second-hand information to write his Lance & Compte scenarios and it pisses him off.

That leaves us with the likes of Mathias Brunet who is probably the most competent and interested in talking about the team’s prospects. Jean-François Bégin and Martin Leclerc who are both no-nonsense writers. Pierre Ladouceur, Marc De Foy, Pierre Durocher, Marc-Antoine Godin and François Gagnon as pretty good beat writers. Yes Gagnon has a special place in his heart for the Sens, big deal, he’s still a good journalist.

Red Fisher is the veteran of veterans and deserves everyone’s respect. He is getting old and little less pertinent, but the man’s an institution and we should enjoy him as long as we can. The Gazette does have Jack Todd on its payroll, but Dave Stubbs, Pat Hickey and everyone at Habsinsideout are doing a great job covering the team. Can’t complain there.

Le Devoir doesn’t really cover sport per say, but Jean Dion is a gem of a sport journalist. If you like philosophical references and jokes about Nelson Santovenia and some obscure Serbian javelin thrower, then he’s your man!

When it comes to radio stations, the TEAM990 holds a candle to no one. While CKAC has given jobs and prime-time spots to the like of Michel Villeneuve and Jean-Charles Lajoie and has hired a poutine cook who received too many blows to the head in Gabriel Grégoire, the TEAM only has PJ Stock in the ‘I can’t believe this person is allowed to speak into a mike’ kind of deal. Aside from these three human beings wich I find intolerable to listen to, the rest of the staff on both station can be entertaining and interesting.

When it comes to RDS these days, then all hell breaks loose! A station that once had intelligent discussion between Claude Maillhot and Yvon Pedneault on Sport30 now serves us a pale copy of 110% with the likes of Chantelois, Bergeron, Morrisette and other incompetent buffoons. There’s still good elements in that station, but the failed junior coaches (Therrien, Flynn) and Alain ‘I get too much airtime’ Chantelois are killing the efforts made by Joel Bouchard and the good reporters like Renaud Lavoir, Félix Séguin, Luc Gélinas (who could improve his English but still does an overall good job).

I could mention Sportsnight360 on CTV. Ron Reusch is still doing a great job with his guests. He’s also very good when he replaces Melnick on the TEAM990.

So, who should be on the blacklist? Because that’s my main goal with this thread, to go on a witch hunt. Hey, I’m not a bad person, au contraire. I happen to be, like a lot of you, a hockey junkie and I’m not looking to turn the radio and tv off nor do I wish to stop reading the papers.

So I hereby humbly suggest the names of the following individuals in the HF Boards Yellow Jounalism Hall of Fame:

Michel Villeneuve
A side note on Villeneuve and his nationalist antics. Some of you may be surprised to find out that for all his Québecois-first comments, Mr.Villeneuve is a ardent federalist who mocks les ceintures flêchées on a regular basis. Just something to throw out there to the misinformed teens from the ROC who use every occasions they can get to insult the evil separatists when someone makes a comment about francophone players or affirms himself as a proud Québécois. The like of Villeneuve and Denis Coderre are not members of the pesky sovereigntist movement, so no need to use their stupid speeches and actions to bash your least favorite political movement. That was a big side note. For overall performance appreciation of his work, refer to the next name on the list as they are pretty similar.

Jean-Charles Lajoie
Obviously went to the Michel Villeneuve school of yellow journalism. Demagoguery, intellectual dishonesty, easy shortcuts, generalization, insults presented as ‘humour’, playing the devil's advocate just to stir crap up. If there’s a bad behavior to have or something misplaced to say, Jean-Charles is votre homme!

Gaston Therrien
Therrien’s latest comments about Kostitsyn and Siberia were not only stupid and offensive, they were also very ignorant. His analysis skills are the same of those of a fourteen years old with a X-Box and free time. He and Normand Flynn shouldn’t be on tv at all.

PJ Stock
Annoying, hypocritical, dishonest, immature, unable to accept another opinion than his own, will never say something in the line of ‘you’re right, I didn’t see things like that’. Looks like a fool everytime he’s not sharing airtime with Marinaro. Shows his true colors when some sort of language controversies rears its ugly head.

Jack Todd
Suffering from intellectual sclerosis for many years, Jack Todd might be the worst journalist in town. Personnal attacks and overall lack of ethics, Todd is un minable. I just wanted to put his name In there so I can post this link. Reading this makes my nipples hard everytime.

Réjean Tremblay
Reasons mentionned above. Personnal issues with the organization leads to bad journalism. Treats fans with little respect calling them fe-fans. Guilty of intellectual dishonesty when it comes to Québec players and draft. Was at his peak in 1984. Been on the decline for close to twenty-five years.

Let’s add the names of Jean Perron, Michel Bergeron, Marc Bureau, Alain Chantelois, and to a lesser extent Dave Morissette and Gabriel Grégoire who were probably hired as part of some special programs for the mentally challenged.

That’s what? Ten-twelve guys out of almost eighty counting the guests, the collaborators, the athletes writing columns. Is the media as evil as some make it sound to be? Could it be that we see things darker than they are when the team is not winning? Of course it is. Take a deep breath, chill the f out, stay away from yellow journalism at all time and enjoy the intelligent coverage.

It’s out there.
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Some of these guys are paid to stir up **** tho, like Bergeron and Pagé.

What i don't like is guys that want to be taken seriously like Gaston Therrien and Michel Villeneuve. They make up stuff all the time and are racist. And they change their opinions when it fit them.
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WOW...that is one long and well thought out post.

Do we allow those on HF?????
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Man, I don't even know who most of those are, but if you wanna see some evil, go watch some of the latest videos on RDS where they bash the Kostitsyn bros. The whole god damn team is giving no effort, but they're after the bros like crazy. Then they mention that race has nothing to do with it, but show some wintery scenes of syberia (or Belarus) and how they can go back there if they don't like it here, and how players from here (french), give a greater effort than them. Disgusting and downright racist. Bunch of nazis.

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WOW...that is one long and well thought out post.

Do we allow those on HF?????
I doubt it.
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Some of these guys are paid to stir up **** tho, like Bergeron and Pagé.

What i don't like is guys that want to be taken seriously like Gaston Therrien and Michel Villeneuve. They make up stuff all the time and are racist. And they change their opinions when it fit them.
Pagé is the most useless and less informed sport shows' host of all. what a moron !

Therrien is the ultimate worst analyst.

Jean-Chiâle is the worst on radio.

Just too many sports (hockey) shows on air with 110%, la Zone and L'Antichambre. Competition sometimes is not that good.
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Who are we talking about?

Let's see:

La Presse :
  • Mathias Brunet
  • Jean-François Bégin
  • Marc-Antoine Godin
  • Richard Labbé
  • Simon Drouin
  • François Gagnon
  • Pierre Ladouceur
  • Miguel Bujold
  • Réjean Tremblay
  • Ronald King
  • Michel Blanchard

Journal De Montréal :
  • Pierre Durocher
  • Martin Leclerc
  • Marc De Foy
  • Serge Touchette
  • Bertrand Raymond
  • Daniel Cloutier
  • Charles Rooke
  • Serge Vleminckx
  • Gilles Vachet
  • Mario Brisebois
  • François Ferland

Le Devoir :
  • Jean Dion

The Gazette :
  • Red Fisher
  • Pat Hickey
  • Dave Stubbs
  • Jack Todd
  • Ian McDonald
  • Paul Carbray
  • Stephanie Myles
  • Dave Yates
RDS:
  • Luc Gélinas
  • Joel Bouchard
  • Martin Dion
  • Alain Crête
  • Chantal Machabée
  • Renaud Lavoie
  • Félix Séguin
  • Denis Casavant
  • Rodger Brulotte
  • Alain ‘Le Baron’ Chantelois
  • Michel Bergeron
  • Dave Morissette
  • Yannick Bouchard
  • Jacques Demers
  • Gaston Therrien
  • Normand Flynn
  • Pierre Vercheval

CKAC-Chorus Sport :
  • Michel Langevin
  • Dave Morissette
  • Gabriel Grégoire
  • Jacques Thériault
  • Jean-Charles Lajoie
  • Michel Villeneuve
  • Martine Lemay
  • Jérémie Rainville
  • Ron Fournier
  • Martin McGuire
  • Dany Dubé
  • Jeremy Filosa

TEAM990 :
  • Denis Casavant
  • Shaun Starr
  • Elliot Price
  • Rod Francis
  • Tony Marinaro
  • PJ Stock
  • Mitch Melnick
  • Andie Bennet
  • Picard

Most guests of La Zone and 100% already work either for a newspaper or a radio station, so there’s no need to rewrite them all. The few exceptions are former players who had to retire early because they weren’t good enough (Marc Bureau, Éric Fichaud, Patrick Boileau, Donald Audette, Stéphan Lebeau, Jocelyn Thibault, ect). Aside from Bureau who I think we can all agree has some personnal issue (i.e. he’s a dick), the others are doing a fine job on La Zone. So is Enrico Ciccone who is a former player but also an agent wich brings an interesting and different perspective. Radio-Canada does have René Pothier and Gérard Gagnon creeping in their corridors, so they get spots around the table. They’re not controversial, just boring.

The names of Michel Bergeron, Jean Perron and Jacques Demers could have linked to almost every network and radio-station from one time or another. Those three need to go. Demers is the less annoying of the three and doesn’t have a history of being a xenophobe like Bergeron or a kid who probably rode the small bus like Perron, but his expertise is pretty narrow. He’s not a detriment like the other two so I guess I can tolerate him, but Bergeron and Perron shouldn’t be hired by anyone with respect for the viewers/listeners.

So what are we left with? La Presse and Le Journal De Montréal have a majority of good, objective, decent and competent journalists. Of course, Réjean Tremblay and Bertrand Raymond are becoming old-timers more interested in their own prestige and human-interest stories than real information. Tremblay has a personnal vendetta against the Habs organization since Gainey banned columnist from flying with the team. He now needs second-hand information to write his Lance & Compte scenarios and it pisses him off.

That leaves us with the likes of Mathias Brunet who is probably the most competent and interested in talking about the team’s prospects. Jean-François Bégin and Martin Leclerc who are both no-nonsense writers. Pierre Ladouceur, Marc De Foy, Pierre Durocher, Marc-Antoine Godin and François Gagnon as pretty good beat writers. Yes Gagnon has a special place in his heart for the Sens, big deal, he’s still a good journalist.

Red Fisher is the veteran of veterans and deserves everyone’s respect. He is getting old and little less pertinent, but the man’s an institution and we should enjoy him as long as we can. The Gazette does have Jack Todd on its payroll, but Dave Stubbs, Pat Hickey and everyone at Habsinsideout are doing a great job covering the team. Can’t complain there.

Le Devoir doesn’t really cover sport per say, but Jean Dion is a gem of a sport journalist. If you like philosophical references and jokes about Nelson Santovenia and some obscure Serbian javelin thrower, then he’s your man!

When it comes to radio stations, the TEAM990 holds a candle to no one. While CKAC has given jobs and prime-time spots to the like of Michel Villeneuve and Jean-Charles Lajoie and has hired a poutine cook who received too many blows to the head in Gabriel Grégoire, the TEAM only has PJ Stock in the ‘I can’t believe this person is allowed to speak into a mike’ kind of deal. Aside from these three human beings wich I find intolerable to listen to, the rest of the staff on both station can be entertaining and interesting.

When it comes to RDS these days, then all hell breaks loose! A station that once had intelligent discussion between Claude Maillhot and Yvon Pedneault on Sport30 now serves us a pale copy of 110% with the likes of Chantelois, Bergeron, Morrisette and other incompetent buffoons. There’s still good elements in that station, but the failed junior coaches (Therrien, Flynn) and Alain ‘I get too much airtime’ Chantelois are killing the efforts made by Joel Bouchard and the good reporters like Renaud Lavoir, Félix Séguin, Luc Gélinas (who could improve his English but still does an overall good job).

I could mention Sportsnight360 on CTV. Ron Reusch is still doing a great job with his guests. He’s also very good when he replaces Melnick on the TEAM990.

So, who should be on the blacklist? Because that’s my main goal with this thread, to go on a witch hunt. Hey, I’m not a bad person, au contraire. I happen to be, like a lot of you, a hockey junkie and I’m not looking to turn the radio and tv off nor do I wish to stop reading the papers.

So I hereby humbly suggest the names of the following individuals in the HF Boards Yellow Jounalism Hall of Fame:

Michel Villeneuve
A side note on Villeneuve and his nationalist antics. Some of you may be surprised to find out that for all his Québecois-first comments, Mr.Villeneuve is a ardent federalist who mocks les ceintures flêchées on a regular basis. Just something to throw out there to the misinformed teens from the ROC who use every occasions they can get to insult the evil separatists when someone makes a comment about francophone players or affirms himself as a proud Québécois. The like of Villeneuve and Denis Coderre are not members of the pesky sovereigntist movement, so no need to use their stupid speeches and actions to bash your least favorite political movement. That was a big side note. For overall performance appreciation of his work, refer to the next name on the list as they are pretty similar.

Jean-Charles Lajoie
Obviously went to the Michel Villeneuve school of yellow journalism. Demagoguery, intellectual dishonesty, easy shortcuts, generalization, insults presented as ‘humour’, playing the devil's advocate just to stir crap up. If there’s a bad behavior to have or something misplaced to say, Jean-Charles is votre homme!

Gaston Therrien
Therrien’s latest comments about Kostitsyn and Siberia were not only stupid and offensive, they were also very ignorant. His analysis skills are the same of those of a fourteen years old with a X-Box and free time. He and Normand Flynn shouldn’t be on tv at all.

PJ Stock
Annoying, hypocritical, dishonest, immature, unable to accept another opinion than his own, will never say something in the line of ‘you’re right, I didn’t see things like that’. Looks like a fool everytime he’s not sharing airtime with Marinaro. Shows his true colors when some sort of language controversies rears its ugly head.

Jack Todd
Suffering from intellectual sclerosis for many years, Jack Todd might be the worst journalist in town. Personnal attacks and overall lack of ethics, Todd is un minable. I just wanted to put his name In there so I can post this link. Reading this makes my nipples hard everytime.

Réjean Tremblay
Reasons mentionned above. Personnal issues with the organization leads to bad journalism. Treats fans with little respect calling them fe-fans. Guilty of intellectual dishonesty when it comes to Québec players and draft. Was at his peak in 1984. Been on the decline for close to twenty-five years.

Let’s add the names of Jean Perron, Michel Bergeron, Marc Bureau, Alain Chantelois, and to a lesser extent Dave Morissette and Gabriel Grégoire who were probably hired as part of some special programs for the mentally challenged.

That’s what? Ten-twelve guys out of almost eighty counting the guests, the collaborators, the athletes writing columns. Is the media as evil as some make it sound to be? Could it be that we see things darker than they are when the team is not winning? Of course it is. Take a deep breath, chill the f out, stay away from yellow journalism at all time and enjoy the intelligent coverage.

It’s out there.
thia was a very good read with lots of good info.

thanks
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What a long post. I read it all, but I sure hope you have another use for your text - you study journalism, maybe? Otherwise, it seems like throwing pearls at swine, if you catch my drift.

I agree with most but not all you write. For instance, I don't find Villeneuve that objectionable on CKAC, maybe I've missed some bad parts, I don't know. He had an excellent interview with Patrick Roy yesterday, really got him to open up. Réjean Tremblay has recently gained respect for Gainey apparently. He wrote a column last month or so that was very respectful of him and recognized not only his hockey acumen but also his human qualities. It was a good read.

Hickey and Stubbs are very often innaccurate in their reporting and have in the past referred to francophone quebecers as "french", which bothers me a lot. You know, Bertuzzi, Gretzky, Podborski are "canadian", but Gagné and Pelletier are "french". Imagine for a second that Villeneuve was to refer to PK Subban as "african"...

Stubbs last year had a write-up of an interview with Gordie Howe, in which Howe referred a lot to Jean Béliveau. Stubbs, when quoting Howe, wrote things like "John was a heckuva player", "John was a leader", etc.. Now, I don't expect Mr. Howe to know how to pronounce "Jean" (he is, after all, canadian). But you would expect a Montréal journalist to at least know better. But no, I guess Béliveau didn't deserve that kind of respect.

All in all, your analysis is interesting, but, like I said, I hope you didn't write all that for naught.

Edit : and that is probably my longest post ever on HF.
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Great thread Haddock. I agree with most of what you wrote and it summerizes very well the Habs Media in the city.

I could have done with a little more Milan Lucic content...but overall a great job.
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What a long post. I read it all, but I sure hope you have another use for your text - you study journalism, maybe? Otherwise, it seems like throwing pearls at swine, if you catch my drift.

I agree with most but not all you write. For instance, I don't find Villeneuve that objectionable on CKAC, maybe I've missed some bad parts, I don't know. He had an excellent interview with Patrick Roy yesterday, really got him to open up. Réjean Tremblay has recently gained respect for Gainey apparently. He wrote a column last month or so that was very respectful of him and recognized not only his hockey acumen but also his human qualities. It was a good read.

Hickey and Stubbs are very often innaccurate in their reporting and have in the past referred to francophone quebecers as "french", which bothers me a lot. You know, Bertuzzi, Gretzky, Podborski are "canadian", but Gagné and Pelletier are "french". Imagine for a second that Villeneuve was to refer to PK Subban as "african"...

Stubbs last year had a write-up of an interview with Gordie Howe, in which Howe referred a lot to Jean Béliveau. Stubbs, when quoting Howe, wrote things like "John was a heckuva player", "John was a leader", etc.. Now, I don't expect Mr. Howe to know how to pronounce "Jean" (he is, after all, canadian). But you would expect a Montréal journalist to at least know better. But no, I guess Béliveau didn't deserve that kind of respect.

All in all, your analysis is interesting, but, like I said, I hope you didn't write all that for naught.

Edit : and that is probably my longest post ever on HF.
Oh don't feel bad for me. I just bought a new laptop and wanted to test the keyboard.

Villeneuve has his good days, but he's also the king of demagoguery and playing devil's advocate just to get discussions going. I really don't like him.

As far as the ignorance of Gazette's reporters towards the french language and their unwillingness to use it properly, I really didn't want to hurt the alreay easily aroused sensibilities of our anglophone friends by including it in my appreciation of their work. You are, of course, more than right on the subject. The 'refering to PK Subban as African' line is dead on. The use of the terms 'they' and 'them' in these discussions wouldn't be acceptable if instead of being francophone, Québec's majority was black.

But my original post is not about language, I have no hope of having an intelligent discussion on the subject around these parts. The media and how we have a choice of wich one we decide to watch and listen to seems like a lighter subject for a gray november day.
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Who are we talking about?

Let's see:

La Presse :
  • Mathias Brunet
  • Jean-François Bégin
  • Marc-Antoine Godin
  • Richard Labbé
  • Simon Drouin
  • François Gagnon
  • Pierre Ladouceur
  • Miguel Bujold
  • Réjean Tremblay
  • Ronald King
  • Michel Blanchard

Journal De Montréal :
  • Pierre Durocher
  • Martin Leclerc
  • Marc De Foy
  • Serge Touchette
  • Bertrand Raymond
  • Daniel Cloutier
  • Charles Rooke
  • Serge Vleminckx
  • Gilles Vachet
  • Mario Brisebois
  • François Ferland

Le Devoir :
  • Jean Dion

The Gazette :
  • Red Fisher
  • Pat Hickey
  • Dave Stubbs
  • Jack Todd
  • Ian McDonald
  • Paul Carbray
  • Stephanie Myles
  • Dave Yates
RDS:
  • Luc Gélinas
  • Joel Bouchard
  • Martin Dion
  • Alain Crête
  • Chantal Machabée
  • Renaud Lavoie
  • Félix Séguin
  • Denis Casavant
  • Rodger Brulotte
  • Alain ‘Le Baron’ Chantelois
  • Michel Bergeron
  • Dave Morissette
  • Yannick Bouchard
  • Jacques Demers
  • Gaston Therrien
  • Normand Flynn
  • Pierre Vercheval

CKAC-Chorus Sport :
  • Michel Langevin
  • Dave Morissette
  • Gabriel Grégoire
  • Jacques Thériault
  • Jean-Charles Lajoie
  • Michel Villeneuve
  • Martine Lemay
  • Jérémie Rainville
  • Ron Fournier
  • Martin McGuire
  • Dany Dubé
  • Jeremy Filosa

TEAM990 :
  • Denis Casavant
  • Shaun Starr
  • Elliot Price
  • Rod Francis
  • Tony Marinaro
  • PJ Stock
  • Mitch Melnick
  • Andie Bennet
  • Picard
I really don't like the ones in bold... I probably forgot a couple of them, lack of memory regarding their names.
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Tonnerre de Brest! Great post Haddock with a lot of information. I don't agree with everything you say but you seem to have identified the principal rotten apples. I didn't realize that the French media had so many good and decent journalists. I'm however appaled to see that the rotten apples seem to have comparatively a lot more air time. I guess irresponsible sensationalism sells better.

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Oh don't feel bad for me. I just bought a new laptop and wanted to test the keyboard.

Villeneuve has his good days, but he's also the king of demagoguery and playing devil's advocate just to get discussions going. I really don't like him.

As far as the ignorance of Gazette's reporters towards the french language and their unwillingness to use it properly, I really didn't want to hurt the alreay easily aroused sensibilities of our anglophone friends by including it in my appreciation of their work. You are, of course, more than right on the subject. The 'refering to PK Subban as African' line is dead on. The use of the terms 'they' and 'them' in these discussions wouldn't be acceptable if instead of being francophone, Québec's majority was black.

But my original post is not about language, I have no hope of having an intelligent discussion on the subject around these parts. The media and how we have a choice of wich one we decide to watch and listen to seems like a lighter subject for a gray november day.
Point taken, I hope my post won't drag the thread down name-calling. It is a great topic, but difficult to discuss when extreme points of view are adopted.
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Who are we talking about?
Great post Haddock!

Add Ronald King to the list of yellow and this is perfect....
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WOW...that is one long and well thought out post.

Do we allow those on HF?????
Not sure if we thought exactly of the same thing, but yeah indeed it's been a while we havent get a long post like this and i hope that it wont be closed or merged with a post game thread. And no i dont blame anybody directly here.

That said i agree with a big chunk of it Had. I like Villeneuve sometimes, i think he does a decent job when not acting like a ***, but it happens too often.

There's still too many guys that shouldnt be there and i have no idea why they have their jobs. Their job is to keep us informated, right? Alot of them do everything, but that. There are some guys that could turn it around like Villeneuve, if he sticks with his job and dont go into stupidity he could get the job done, but there are too many lost cause. I dont think people that only complains no matter what, that doesnt understand the game and that are racist should be on TV, but we've got a plenty.

I was listening at ckac last saturday in my car and overall the show as good. Martin Lemay was the host and i think he's doing a good job. I'm not saying he has inside or is an expert in hockey, but thats not his job. The show was really good when they talked about the Als and the callers didnt look bad either people seemed to know what they were talking about and didnt say anything stupid which was interesting. The guest were good as well talking about different stuff. Then they took some calls about the habs and line-up change. I just listened to 1 call and a half and it was too much for me. 1 wanted Laraque with Kostitsyn and Kovalev, not smart enough to put a center on that line and the other guy kept saying Bégin, but couldnt find a guy to take out of the line-up oir had any idea where to put begin and with who. All eh kept saying was Bégin.

I cant beleive we are now that low. I guess all the brain washing finally give results, but thats pathetic. For a casual fan it's really tough to find good information in all that ********. And well i guess once people think this way other follow and it gets worse. It just has to change cause it's not even funny anymore. I have a hard time having a hockey conversation with a guy now. I usually find another subject cause they are brain washed and it pisses me off.

I hope it'll turn around someday and it looks like finishing 1st in the east just make it worse, somehow.
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Haddock - I just wanted to drop by to say that was a really well thought out, interesting read. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

We often hear blanket statements around here and elsewhere, so it's really interesting to put the state of our sports journalism in perspective like this.

The few bad apples tend to give everyone else a bad name, as is true in many other environments.
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Not sure if we thought exactly of the same thing, but yeah indeed it's been a while we havent get a long post like this and i hope that it wont be closed or merged with a post game thread. And no i dont blame anybody directly here.

That said i agree with a big chunk of it Had. I like Villeneuve sometimes, i think he does a decent job when not acting like a ***, but it happens too often.

There's still too many guys that shouldnt be there and i have no idea why they have their jobs. Their job is to keep us informated, right? Alot of them do everything, but that. There are some guys that could turn it around like Villeneuve, if he sticks with his job and dont go into stupidity he could get the job done, but there are too many lost cause. I dont think people that only complains no matter what, that doesnt understand the game and that are racist should be on TV, but we've got a plenty.

I was listening at ckac last saturday in my car and overall the show as good. Martin Lemay was the host and i think he's doing a good job. I'm not saying he has inside or is an expert in hockey, but thats not his job. The show was really good when they talked about the Als and the callers didnt look bad either people seemed to know what they were talking about and didnt say anything stupid which was interesting. The guest were good as well talking about different stuff. Then they took some calls about the habs and line-up change. I just listened to 1 call and a half and it was too much for me. 1 wanted Laraque with Kostitsyn and Kovalev, not smart enough to put a center on that line and the other guy kept saying Bégin, but couldnt find a guy to take out of the line-up oir had any idea where to put begin and with who. All eh kept saying was Bégin.

I cant beleive we are now that low. I guess all the brain washing finally give results, but thats pathetic. For a casual fan it's really tough to find good information in all that ********. And well i guess once people think this way other follow and it gets worse. It just has to change cause it's not even funny anymore. I have a hard time having a hockey conversation with a guy now. I usually find another subject cause they are brain washed and it pisses me off.

I hope it'll turn around someday and it looks like finishing 1st in the east just make it worse, somehow.
That's the thing, I don't think their job is to keep us informed. THeir job is to keep us listening, watching, reading. Their mission statement (if any) would probably refer to information, but make no mistake, their job is to sell newspapers and air-time.

One more point. People seem to react viscerally to the media, even irrationally. Sometimes, we just get way too worked up over something that is not that important anyway.
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Excellent post!

I would add Michel Blanchard from La Presse in the yellow list. Thank god he doesn't write so often anymore. When he does, it's usually the worst crap you'll ever read.
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Great post! Well written.


And I love Jean Dion. I'm glad you didn't forget him.
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Great post Haddock!

Add Ronald King to the list of yellow and this is perfect....
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Excellent post!

I would add Michel Blanchard from La Presse in the yellow list. Thank god he doesn't write so often anymore. When he does, it's usually the worst crap you'll ever read.
That's funny because I wanted to add something about those two and I just forgot about it. I don't find them as yellow as a Jean-Charles Lajoie or Alain Chantelois, they fit more under the 'grumpy old men' category. King can't talk about the Carabins of the UdM without making it sound as if he's better than everyone else because he cares about university sports. He has a special kind of arrogance to him that makes it hard to enjoy what he writes. Blanchard, now head of the sport section of La Presse iirc, is another case of moral hauteur. He rarely writes anymore, comes out during the playoffs to remind us how his presence isn't missed by anyone. He was tolerable when he was having these exchange columns with Robert Duguay before he died of cancer. Bob could make him sound like a nice guy while they took shots at each other. Now that he's without him, Blanchard just seems bitter. Not my favorite writer, but not as bad as others.
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Excellent post Haddock!


Mr.Marinaro should be added to the "Hall of Shame" as well.

For a guy who hasn't "put in the work" in the business, he sure acts like he's some big knowitall on the radio. I'm sorry but his constant criticism of Carbonneau's coaching ability makes him look foolish. He never misses an opportunity to take a cheap shot at the Coach ..... just pathetic!

Hey Marinaro, if the coach snubbed you at a postgame interview or something, no need to take it personal. Act lile a professional if you want respect in this business ...... you pathetic wannabe.
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Favorites : McGuire, Dubé, Francois Gagnon, Joel Bouchard (although his communication skills gotta improve. Sometimes he wants to point out brilliant things but he fails at explaning himself)

Somebody please hit them with a bus: VILLENEUVE (****! I hate that ******), Pierre Houde, Rejean Tremblay.

You forgot Stéphane Laporte in LaPresse who sometimes gives us little gems of widsom on his blog like "The CH's success will depend on Carey Price and his back-up" or "Why does Carbonneau bench Kovy?" (when Kovalev's ice time was over 20 mins in the game before...). GO BACK TO STAR ACADÉMIE, YOU CLOWN, YOU DONT KNOW **** ABOUT HOCKEY.
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Wow. That was extremely well written. You can tell some time went into that post.

Good work.
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True, ban first, ask questions later.
You'd get less paperwork with a "ban first, ask questions never" policy.


Joking aside, I think it would be wrong of me to keep posting in this thread without commending the OP. I don't pay enough attention to journalists to really add to the topic, but it was well worth the read.
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