Q: Could either of them be (quickly) signed to a front-loaded extension? I don't know the cap rules that well...
Extensions can only be signed in the final year of a contract....and then they do not average in with the current contract.....they start after the current contracts expire. Much like when Visnovsky signed his extension the cap hit did not automatically go up. I hope you explained that well enough.
I know you are high on Mr. Hickey but please do us a favor and send him back to his junior team where he can do some good. He's on all of our season tickets, for crying out loud.
Signed,
0-4 Seattle Thunderbirds fan
Same, just replace Hickey with Moller and T-Birds with Bruins.
Not only that, we will be down an import because the Bruins were banking on Moller coming back.
Same, just replace Hickey with Moller and T-Birds with Bruins.
Not only that, we will be down an import because the Bruins were banking on Moller coming back.
Well the chances of Moller going back are less than Hickey going back....especially if O'Sullivan does not sign. So you better start hoping O'Sullivan gets desperate.
Q: Could either of them be (quickly) signed to a front-loaded extension? I don't know the cap rules that well...
Wouldn't help anyway as they are all under contract for this year. I keep all the Kings numbers on a spreadsheet so I can manipulate the rosters to see the cap charge, space left, room to floor, etc.
If we go with the roster that Hans posted, and assume the worst (or lowest $ possible) for the 14th forward position (in this case, Ellis @ $475,000) we are still $759,200 OVER the cap floor.
The cap floor shouldn't be an issue anymore. Unfortunately, this does assume that Doughty's full $3.475m cap hit is used.
EDIT: Had the wrong number in at first. The corrected number appears now.
Here's more:
- OSullivan gets traded
- One of our goalie prospects gets traded.
- Calder or Handzus one of them I see being traded mid season
- Zeller too - with Meckler, Simmonds, Moeller, no room for him
- I can see Lombardi packaging a combo of prospects before the trade deadline if we are to make the playoffs which I indicated we will a few months ago.
I remember placing a bet with Bunny "something" I can't remember.
After watching Boyle at FF, I'm not so sure he makes the team out of camp. I don't think he looked very good at all. I don’t think he impressed at all…
I realize there’s the fans fascination with using Boyle and Handzus down the middle and the talk about how big the Kings are down the middle with those two in the lineup but from what I’ve seen over the past year or more the two of them are pretty damn slow. Granted there’s the reach advantage thing and all but, they both move as if their feet are in buckets of concrete. The two of them on the same line is just brutal…
That could be the case...If that happens then Armstrong takes that last center spot...Though the way Lombardi makes it sound, Boyle, Purcell and Moulson will be LA Kings come Oct. 11th.
Going off Hammond's recent list of players still fighting for a spot, who else will be cut?
FORWARDS (20): Derek Armstrong, Brian Boyle, Dustin Brown, Kyle Calder, Marc-Andre Cliche, Richard Clune, Alexander Frolov, Michal Handzus, Raitis Ivanans, Anze Kopitar, Andrei Loktionov, David Meckler, Oscar Moller, Matt Moulson, Teddy Purcell, Brad Richardson, Wayne Simmonds, Jarret Stoll, Kevin Westgarth, John Zeiler
DEFENSEMEN (12): Drew Doughty, Davis Drewiske, Denis Gauthier, Matt Greene, Peter Harrold, Thomas Hickey, Jack Johnson, Alec Martinez, Sean O'Donnell, Joe Piskula, Tom Preissing, Viatcheslav Voynov
GOALIES (4): Erik Ersberg, Martin Jones, Jason LaBarbera, Jonathan Quick
I say, based on this preseason, we cut Cliche, Clune, Loktionov, Meckler, Zeiler, Westgarth, and Simmonds from our forwards. Drewiske, Martinez, Piskula, Voinov, and Hickey from our defense. And Jones and one of Quick or Ersberg from our goaltenders.
That leaves us with 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goaltenders for a total 22 man roster.
I think Simmonds needs a little seasoning at the AHL level, but he'll get multiple call ups throughout the season and inherit Calder's full time roster spot either at the deadline this year or at the beginning of next season.
Hickey is the odd man out with the O'Donnell trade, unfortunately. I really liked what I saw from the Doughty-Hickey pairing in Vegas. Both kids played great. However, I think Doughty has the stronger skillset to make the team RIGHT NOW, and let's face it, we need his cap hit. Harrold can function as our seventh blueliner quite well.
Let Quick and Ersberg battle it out for the second goaltending position. Let the cream rise to the top.
If and when O'Sullivan signs a contract, Moller will likely head back to juniors. We should see Oscar as a full time King next year, though, because this kid is ready to go.
That should leave our lines looking something like this:
The primary call ups throughout the year (much like how Boyle, Purcell, and Moulson functioned last season) will be Simmonds, Meckler, Hickey, Martinez, and Bernier.
Going off Hammond's recent list of players still fighting for a spot, who else will be cut?
FORWARDS (20): Derek Armstrong, Brian Boyle, Dustin Brown, Kyle Calder, Marc-Andre Cliche, Richard Clune, Alexander Frolov, Michal Handzus, Raitis Ivanans, Anze Kopitar, Andrei Loktionov, David Meckler, Oscar Moller, Matt Moulson, Teddy Purcell, Brad Richardson, Wayne Simmonds, Jarret Stoll, Kevin Westgarth, John Zeiler
DEFENSEMEN (12): Drew Doughty, Davis Drewiske, Denis Gauthier, Matt Greene, Peter Harrold, Thomas Hickey, Jack Johnson, Alec Martinez, Sean O'Donnell, Joe Piskula, Tom Preissing, Viatcheslav Voynov
GOALIES (4): Erik Ersberg, Martin Jones, Jason LaBarbera, Jonathan Quick
I say, based on this preseason, we cut Cliche, Clune, Loktionov, Meckler, Zeiler, Westgarth, and Simmonds from our forwards. Drewiske, Martinez, Piskula, Voinov, and Hickey from our defense. And Jones and one of Quick or Ersberg from our goaltenders.
That leaves us with 13 forwards, 7 defensemen, and 2 goaltenders for a total 22 man roster.
I think Simmonds needs a little seasoning at the AHL level, but he'll get multiple call ups throughout the season and inherit Calder's full time roster spot either at the deadline this year or at the beginning of next season.
Hickey is the odd man out with the O'Donnell trade, unfortunately. I really liked what I saw from the Doughty-Hickey pairing in Vegas. Both kids played great. However, I think Doughty has the stronger skillset to make the team RIGHT NOW, and let's face it, we need his cap hit. Harrold can function as our seventh blueliner quite well.
Let Quick and Ersberg battle it out for the second goaltending position. Let the cream rise to the top.
If and when O'Sullivan signs a contract, Moller will likely head back to juniors. We should see Oscar as a full time King next year, though, because this kid is ready to go.
That should leave our lines looking something like this:
The primary call ups throughout the year (much like how Boyle, Purcell, and Moulson functioned last season) will be Simmonds, Meckler, Hickey, Martinez, and Bernier.
Thoughts?
Hickey can't be called up right? Martinez and Bagnall and Voinov (assuming he goes to Manchester) will be the call-ups on D.
For the forwards my cuts would be -
Purcell, Westgarth, Meckler and Zeiler.
Most likely -
Westgarth, Simmonds, Meckler and Purcell.
Though I think there is a chance Richardson gets cut over Simmonds or Purcell, atleast to start the season.
Purcell hasn't been as good as he should have been in camp. I think he needs an O'Sullivan type lesson and get sent down to start and work on being more effective. Boyle, though he hasn't scored, has looked and sounded good to me, more effective at this level right now. Then again, what the hell do I know.
My take is that Simmonds will probably stick b/c he can be sent to to Manchester. Moulson will play in O'Sullivan's spot and Simmonds goes to the 2nd or 3rd line....
Zeiler will probably be an extra forward....I see something happening with Calder and Armstrong...Waivers, trade....
My guess is that Boyle is not playing to par in a role he has never played before (4th line wtf?), also because he knows he is a shoe in. Maybe they just want to see IF he can grind it out?
Bottom line is that he rocked the 2nd line last season.
So I figure that right now, some others are getting a chance what they can do higher up, for now, and Boyle will be at minimum 3rd line center. Hanzus to wing? Hell I don't know what they are going to do with this pileup. More draft picks (cowbell)!!!!
The Manchester Monarchs coaches and players are back in town and will hit the ice for the first practice of the 2008 Training Camp on Friday at Tri-Town Ice Arena from 10 a.m. – 11:30 a.m. All practices during training camp are open to the public. There are currently 16 players in the Monarchs camp with more expected to come from the Los Angeles Kings later today. The team practices on Friday and Saturday before heading down to Fitchburg, Massachusetts, for their only pre-season game against the Worcester Sharks at Wallace Civic Arena on Sunday, October 5. The puck drops at 4:00 p.m.
So not counting Cliche and Clune, there are 16 forwards left in camp including Moller, Simmonds, Westgarth and Zeiler... two of those forwards should make the roster, this is going to be interesting!
Boyle, Purcell, Moulson, Moller, Simmonds ... whens the last time a team had 5 rookies at forward in there opening night lineup???
I'm stoked Westgarth has made it this far no matter what happens....I still think he and Simmonds are going to Manchester...Moller stays for 10 games until O'Sullivan comes back and Zeiler is the 13th forward...Kings have to do something with Army or Calder though for Zeiler to be the 13th forward....or we have 14 forwards....
LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Kings have announced the following player transactions:
Assigned to Manchester (AHL):
Davis Drewiske - D
Joe Piskula - D
Placed on Injured Reserve list:
John Zeiler – RW (groin strain)
The Kings have 27 active players remaining on their 2008 Training Camp roster (15 forwards, nine defensemen and three goaltenders). In addition, the Kings have three injured players (Zeiler, groin; Marc-Andre Cliche, shoulder; and Rich Clune, chest).
