The similar pole regarding Visnovsky is fun to read, but the group consensus was obvious before the poll. There is much more debate surrounding the exchange of Joni Pitkanen for Cole, and I find the results much more interesting....
I think Cole is a good character guy to have on our team. Even if we just have him for one year, Id still be happy with the trade. Perhaps he could rub off a little bit on Penner, and then if he leaves we will have some extra cash to pursue a UFA with or put it towards extending Gagner.
For months when the Pitkanen/Cole deal was rumoured basically everyone on this site hated the idea and thought it was an awful deal for the Oilers.
Now thats its made, people like it.
It's a terrible trade, and if Cole walks at the end of the year its a disaster. Pitkanen was the best defenseman the Oilers had and we traded him away because he was too quiet in the dressing room and didn't go hang out with the team after games.
For months when the Pitkanen/Cole deal was rumoured basically everyone on this site hated the idea and thought it was an awful deal for the Oilers.
Now thats its made, people like it.
It's a terrible trade, and if Cole walks at the end of the year its a disaster. Pitkanen was the best defenseman the Oilers had and we traded him away because he was too quiet in the dressing room and didn't go hang out with the team after games.
And he requested a trade. And he wouldn't sign for a reasonable amount of money... because he didn't want to play here.
Blue chip defenseman with Phil Housley upside traded for a rental player that does the job Dustin Penner already did. Cole who will take off as a UFA at the end of the year.
I wanna see how the defense plays more then Cole. If Lubo can make up for Pitkanen's offensive game and if the dcore can play better defense as a whole.
I was a big Pitkanen booster, but when he doesn't wanna play here.. what can you do? Hard to lose a guy with his potential and talent, but there was always questions about his work ethic and if he could stay healthy.
As for Cole, I think he'll fit in and play well for us, but I dunno if he'll be here for more then a year.
Bare in mind if he does not sign here then he will be traded prior to the deadline which could bring back a first round pick and a prospect the way the last two deadlines went. Considering Joni's trade value in the off season I think it's a fair deal. We get a better offensive player for this year and the worst case scenario brings back a pick and prospect.
Bare in mind if he does not sign here then he will be traded prior to the deadline which could bring back a first round pick and a prospect the way the last two deadlines went. Considering Joni's trade value in the off season I think it's a fair deal. We get a better offensive player for this year and the worst case scenario brings back a pick and prospect.
The only way the Oilers trade away Cole at the deadline is if they are completely out of the running for the playoffs. If they look like they are going to make it, or have a decent chance, than they wont trade away Cole.
Cole could very well end up walking away for nothing in 11 months.
Then you trade him for something other than a guy who at this point at best is 50/50 chance of leaving/signing
I assume this means that you are admitting you are wrong about your listed reasons for why he was traded. I have no problem with you criticizing the trade value, although you might want to consider that Pitkanen only scored 26 points last year. So, clearly, his value wasn't very high, especially not high enough to deserve the rumored 5+ million he was asking for.
If Cole is here for one season...it is a big loss.
This I agree with but...Lowe knows this, he isn't an idiot. He forecasts and looks at what he has. I think Piks must have been a negative influence on the room and/or Cole is planing on staying.
Either way Lowe wanted Piks out and Cole in for a reason, he knows that he could lose Cole in a year and either didn't care in that he wanted Piks out THAT bad OR he has had a different communication with Cole then we know about.
I choose that I want to see him play before I like or hate it.
Blue chip defenseman with Phil Housley upside traded for a rental player that does the job Dustin Penner already did. Cole who will take off as a UFA at the end of the year.
Let me think...
Make many false judgements and unwarrented predictions?
If Cole is here for one season...it is a big loss.
If cole is here for one season and then we sign Hossa... it is an even bigger gain.
If we signed Pitkanen long term to the ridiculous money he was asking for... we wouldn't be able to go out and get the proven star that Katz is hungry for.
Blue chip defenseman with Phil Housley upside traded for a rental player that does the job Dustin Penner already did. Cole who will take off as a UFA at the end of the year.
Let me think...
It's easy to slant your argument your way when you use made up crap like this.
1. Who cares if he has Phil Housley upside? Jani Rita was thought to have Peter Forsberg upside.
2. You have no idea that Cole will take off as a UFA. You are simply distorting that possibility to suit your argument.
There are considerations that went into your trade, which you conveniently ignored in your well-reasoned and logical response. Money, for one. Who really knows how much he was asking for. Who knows if Edmonton offered him what Carolina did, and he turned it down to preciptate a trade?
How about team unity and dressing room harmony? There's a lot to be said for that, and by all accounts Pitkanen wasn't fitting in at all, and didn't have his teammates respect.
If cole is here for one season and then we sign Hossa... it is an even bigger gain.
If we signed Pitkanen long term to the ridiculous money he was asking for... we wouldn't be able to go out and get the proven star that Katz is hungry for.
You can't just assume the Oilers will be able to sign a replacement for Cole if he walks away in July.
As I said before free agency started this year and people were saying that the Oilers were gonna be able to sign people. I'll believe it when I see it.
We still struck out on the players we went after this year. Banking on replacing a top line winger via free agency is a recipe for disaster for a team like the Oilers.
You can't just assume the Oilers will be able to sign a replacement for Cole if he walks away in July.
As I said before free agency started this year and people were saying that the Oilers were gonna be able to sign people. I'll believe it when I see it.
We still struck out on the players we went after this year. Banking on replacing a top line winger via free agency is a recipe for disaster for a team like the Oilers.
well one thing is for sure... we'll be spending pretty close to the cap next year... the money saved by Cole leaving will go somewhere for sure. If it isnt a UFA it'll be an early extension for Gagner or Cogs.
You can't just assume the Oilers will be able to sign a replacement for Cole if he walks away in July.
As I said before free agency started this year and people were saying that the Oilers were gonna be able to sign people. I'll believe it when I see it.
We still struck out on the players we went after this year. Banking on replacing a top line winger via free agency is a recipe for disaster for a team like the Oilers.
Which is why I said if.
Anyways, IF Cole's kid cares about playing hockey as much as he apparently does, Cole will be willing to consider an extension unless something about Edmonton is completely unbearable.
Straight up asset for asset I don't like it, Joni is a young RFA that could turn into a great D man, under the cirmunstance, I like it, which basically mean Joni wouldn't have signed here, well that is what I hear any way.
the oilers are a better team this year, cole will bring more than Joni would have, for the future, I don't like it.
It's easy to slant your argument your way when you use made up crap like this.
1. Who cares if he has Phil Housley upside? Jani Rita was thought to have Peter Forsberg upside.
2. You have no idea that Cole will take off as a UFA. You are simply distorting that possibility to suit your argument.
There are considerations that went into your trade, which you conveniently ignored in your well-reasoned and logical response. Money, for one. Who really knows how much he was asking for. Who knows if Edmonton offered him what Carolina did, and he turned it down to preciptate a trade?
How about team unity and dressing room harmony? There's a lot to be said for that, and by all accounts Pitkanen wasn't fitting in at all, and didn't have his teammates respect.
THe more stuff comes up, the more I like the deal, it just sounded like the guy had no desire to gel with the team and be a team player.
cole on the other hand is the ultimate team player.
Blue chip defenseman with Phil Housley upside traded for a rental player that does the job Dustin Penner already did. Cole who will take off as a UFA at the end of the year.
Let me think...
Whos to say Pitkanen even wanted to play here for more than 1 season. I dont understand the difference.
