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11-25-2008, 02:59 PM
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Another free agent to be signed this year?
Anyone know who they could be targeting? TMV, you probably know that school better than most of us, are there any overage FA's worth taking a look at?
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11-25-2008, 03:08 PM
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I wonder who it is? Tyler Bozak? Patrick Mullen? Luke Salazar? Anthony Maiani? Or someone different altogether.
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I wonder who it is? Tyler Bozak? Patrick Mullen? Luke Salazar? Anthony Maiani? Or someone different altogether.
I am will go out a limb here and say that yes, it could be someone different altogether!
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Anyone know who they could be targeting? TMV, you probably know that school better than most of us, are there any overage FA's worth taking a look at?
My guess would be J.P. Testwuide. He's one of the few seniors on the team, he's a big kid, was invited to the Habs camp as an undrafted player, and appears to have some of that nastiness that the Murrays love. He's #11 on Denver.

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Would Tim Murray really be scouting for Gorillas though?
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In that video, was that our O'Brien? Or a different one?
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Another free agent to be signed this year?
I'd almost be surprised if the club did not sign another college free agent. I'm glad too, teams like Anaheim, New Jersey, San Jose and Los Angeles have done well using this route, and the Senators until now never really have.

As for who he might have been scouting, I don't know about DU players so I'll leave the guessing to those like you who do, but Murray could have easily picked this weekend because Minnesota was in town. It's possible scouting Jordan Schroeder, who we have a decent chance of having available to us, was part of the reason.
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11-25-2008, 07:24 PM
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Almost certainly Tyler Bozak. Calgary and Vancouver have been scouting him as well.

I've never seen the guy play but I've read some glowing reports about him. Couldn't hurt to add more depth.
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I'd almost be surprised if the club did not sign another college free agent. I'm glad too, teams like Anaheim, New Jersey, San Jose and Los Angeles have done well using this route, and the Senators until now never really have.
its a strategy that makes sense both for the Sens, and B-Sens. Having cheap talent with potential to make the big leagues is important, but filling the minor league team with players who have had a history of playing at a high level with alot of responsibility is a must. Its why scouting overseas was so important, and you knew you could get a guy into your farm system. Now that there is more risk attached to that, signing college players is the next best strategy.
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In that video, was that our O'Brien? Or a different one?
Yes it was Jim O'Brien. I remember that fight and game.
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I would say Bozak as well. He's a pretty impressive player, but I've only seen DU play a few times this year. They're on TV more during the second half of the season.
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its a strategy that makes sense both for the Sens, and B-Sens. Having cheap talent with potential to make the big leagues is important, but filling the minor league team with players who have had a history of playing at a high level with alot of responsibility is a must. Its why scouting overseas was so important, and you knew you could get a guy into your farm system. Now that there is more risk attached to that, signing college players is the next best strategy.
Good point about Bingo. Scouting college free agents is kind of a different animal from amateur scouting for the entry draft. That player is invariably going to play for your AHL affiliate the next year (except in the rare case, O'Keefe being one, that they end up in the ECHL) and take up a contract in your organization. It's immediate assessment scouting because you are entirely responsible for their development from then on. No junior years or european years to allow for development or blame if the player doesn't pan out.

Of course that immediate impact thing has its benefits too. College players are older and more developed than players you draft, and really the amount of variables in their development are less in quantity and in independence. As in the case of Winchester, the scouting was almost yes/no, in that he either was ready for the NHL or wasn't. And their development is entirely controlled if they don't crack it right away. Moreover, guys like Winchester are restricted by their age to only a one year deal, which is less risk and less investment than a junior graduate.
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Almost certainly Tyler Bozak. Calgary and Vancouver have been scouting him as well.

I've never seen the guy play but I've read some glowing reports about him. Couldn't hurt to add more depth.
It is undoubtedly Tyler Bozak. He is the best offensive player at DU and possibly the NCAA. He can outright take over a game unlike any player I've seen at DU in over 20 years. He was a 21 year old freshman so he is a late bloomer, but his pure speed and nose for the net will have him playing in the NHL next year. There have been scouts from all the canadian NHL teams to watch him this year at Magness Arena. Whoever signs him will be EXTREMELY lucky. I can't speak highly enough about this kid, he is going to be a great addition to whatever team he selects....
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Another BCHL grad, I would definitely be interested in Bozak. Have to stay tuned to this story.
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It is undoubtedly Tyler Bozak. He is the best offensive player at DU and possibly the NCAA. He can outright take over a game unlike any player I've seen at DU in over 20 years. He was a 21 year old freshman so he is a late bloomer, but his pure speed and nose for the net will have him playing in the NHL next year. There have been scouts from all the canadian NHL teams to watch him this year at Magness Arena. Whoever signs him will be EXTREMELY lucky. I can't speak highly enough about this kid, he is going to be a great addition to whatever team he selects....
That's a pretty glowing endorsement. Let's hope he winds up with Ottawa.
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The man has good stats.

Murray's gonna have to make a damn good pitch to land this guy.
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cmon murray, if he costs us nothing go for him!


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Another free agent to be signed this year?
I guess it is for Bingo right away... maybe? Since Isbister left the team and Nikulin asked for a trade (so we couldn't get decent value for him), Bingo needs more depht in case of call-ups/injuries like it is happening now...

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It is undoubtedly Tyler Bozak. He is the best offensive player at DU and possibly the NCAA. He can outright take over a game unlike any player I've seen at DU in over 20 years. He was a 21 year old freshman so he is a late bloomer, but his pure speed and nose for the net will have him playing in the NHL next year. There have been scouts from all the canadian NHL teams to watch him this year at Magness Arena. Whoever signs him will be EXTREMELY lucky. I can't speak highly enough about this kid, he is going to be a great addition to whatever team he selects....
Murray's speciality
Kunitz, Penner, Winchester and now Bozak?
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Tyler Bozak
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Height 6.00 -- Weight 165 -- Shoots R

165?? Does he have bird bones or something?
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Tyler Bozak
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Born Mar 19 1986 -- Regina, SASK
Height 6.00 -- Weight 165 -- Shoots R

165?? Does he have bird bones or something?
Never trust hockeydb for accurate physical stats, but he's still pretty scrawny at 6'2 180-190lbs right now. Not that I should talk...
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on the pioneers site it says 180lbs

http://www.denverpioneers.com/ViewAr...&Q_SEASON=2008
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Since people started doing top 10s and top 20s in another thread, I did. Unfortunately my penchant for long-windedness got the better of me. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=576164

1) Erik Karlsson – Only Meszaros challenges him as a prospect since Spezza. Big talent, big upside and no doubt the organization’s favourite prospect.

2) Brian Lee – Too early to start selling the chips here. Two months ago we, and the Murrays, had him penciled in as a contributing NHLer. Has a lot to lose though in the coming months.
3) Ilya Zubov – The biggest rise on my list. He’s always been talented, but proving he can dominate at the AHL level makes him our best forward prospect.
4) Nick Foligno – I believe he’s got some second line ability in him, but as a complimentary player. Needs to learn to play better with his linemates and rely less on his energy and individualism.
5) Brian Elliott – Goalies are hard to rank, particularly when there are no others in the system. I could entirely see a justification for Elliott being #2 on this list though. Not as high on his upside as some.

6) Patrick Wiercioch – The youngest and furthest away of this group, but probably with the highest upside. I have a soft spot for players with Wiercioch’s skill set.
7) Jesse Winchester – Somewhat harder to rank, but at the end of the day he’s already a third liner and has enough upside to be a support player on a second line. Unbelievably advanced for a first year pro.
8) Peter Regin – Legitimate second line center upside in my opinion, despite the rocky start to his time in Binghamton. His development in Sweden was textbook in its trajectory and he has a pure center skill set.
9) Jim O’Brien – I’m not as high on him as others, but he remains a first round pick with good tools and seems to be developing well enough. I have trouble ranking a first round pick who is developing well any lower to be honest.
10) Zack Smith – A hard player to rank. He’s outperforming Regin and O’Brien, but I wasn’t that impressed at the development camp, at least not sold on his upside. These three forwards are very close though.

11) Mattias Karlsson – Good tools and physically mature, which has eased his transition to North American hockey. Probably does not have top four upside, but is playing too well ths year to rank any lower.
12) Louie Caporusso – We have three talented but somewhat undersized scorers in a row, but I prefer Caporusso of the three. But they are interchangeable.
13) Kaspars Daugavins – If he hadn’t struggled out of the gate so much he’d be 11th, probably even 10th. There’s no rush with him though, and he’s a good prospect.
14) Andre Petersson – No doubt talented, but we knew that going into the draft. Has scored at every level but he remains small and one-dimensional. I’d wait and see how he handles the SEL before projecting him to the AHL/NHL.

15) Cody Bass – Almost a lock to play in the NHL, but also a lock to never score 20 goals. If a prospect’s likelihood of achieving their potential is meaningless to you though, he’d be about 30th.

16) Tomas Kudelka – Always been a fan, like his tools and see some upside. I think he’s flown under the radar for whatever reason, but we lack blueliners in the organization and he has almost two more years to develop.
17) Shawn Weller – Produced in college, wasn’t out of place at the WJC and is carving out a niche in the AHL. Has size, speed, energy and defensive ability. Has never had NHL scoring upside, but has more skill than Bass.
18) Erik Condra – I’m curious to see how his senior year goes. Not a great start after knee surgery. Intelligent, hard working player who has third line potential, but can’t afford to struggle all year.
19) Colin Greening – Prototypical NHL size, and has shown an ability to score in a low scoring league in college. I find players coming out of the ECAC hard to predict offensively.
20) Derek Grant – Doing all the right things but remains a long ways from the NHL. Good skater with good size and a nose for the net, but doesn’t use his size. If by his sophomore year in college he’s pushing a point a game, he shoots up these rankings though.

HM: Josh Hennessy, Vitaly Anikienko, Igor Mirnov, Kiril Lyamin, Ruslan Bashkirov.

Comments: A gap suggests a gap between the group of players. By the end of the year those groups could entirely be re-arranged, but it's a lot harder to jump up a group in my opinion. I excluded the Russians although Anikienko in particular I would like to include, but their inclusion confuses the consistency of the criteria otherwise. Hennessy was excluded because I just don't see him having any future in Ottawa, though I do think he could carve out a niche elsewhere. Realistically it was more a matter of not knowing how to rank him more than where. I must say overall our prospect pool is better now than it was for a few years. It's back to average I'd say.
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Since people started doing top 10s and top 20s in another thread, I did. Unfortunately my penchant for long-windedness got the better of me. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=576164.
Don't worry about it Hossa, I appreciate your long-windedness, as your posts are always a good read.

Your list is a good one, and definitely one that's hard to argue with. I'd really be nitpicking but I might have Caporusso a little higher, but it's hard to argue with your groupings. I think your first grouping (or second, depending if Karlsson counts as a group) should really be solid NHL regulars for a long time. All 4 of those players seem to be NHL-ready, even if their upside isn't as high.

As you said, it's probably harder to jump groups than within a group, but one guy I could see making that jump is Caporusso. He's having a great sophomore year at Michigan and I could see him having a similar career trajectory to Mike Cammalleri. If Cammalleri's a 1st-2nd line player, Caporusso could be a solid 2nd line player, IMO.

My hope that is in 2 years or so, when those first 5 players have graduated from the system, the third group can become the second, the fourth can become the third and so on. Hopefully we can have a system where our prospects are dedicated to improving so much, that a guy like Derek Grant or Andre Petersson can improve so they could move into the top 8 or 10.
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My top 20 prospects at the current moment:

1. Erik Karlsson, D
2. Ilya Zubov, C
3. Brian Elliott, G
4. Brian Lee, D
5. Jim O'Brien, C
6. Patrick Wiercioch, D
7. Zach Smith, C
8. Peter Regin, C
9. Kirill Lyamin, D
10. Igor Mirnov, C
11. Mattias Karlsson
12. Louie Caporusso
13. Cody Bass, C
14. Vitaly Anikeyenko, D
15. Kaspars Daugavins, LW
16. Erik Condra, RW
17. Andre Petersson, LW
18. Colin Greening, C
19. Ruslan Bashkirov, LW
20. Tomas Kudelka, D

Obviously this list would fluctuate almost on a bi-monthly basis. For example, any of the players can become an MVP in WJHC and their rating would change. Bashkirov can end up with a stellar season (is he even playing for Tolyatti Lada?) and shoot up the ranks.

PS: Foligno and Winchester are no longer prospects IMO.
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