Aren't the draft positions based on playoff performance?
Best Case Scenario:
First Round:
Calgary Beats San Jose
Philadelphia Beats Washington
Boston Beats Montreal
Second Round:
Calgary Beats Detroit
Boston Beats Pittsburgh
1. Tampa Bay
2. Los Angeles
3. Atlanta
4. St.Louis
5. Islanders
6. Columbus
7. Toronto
8. Phoenix
9. Nashville (Florida)
10. Vancouver
11. Chicago
12. Anaheim
13. Buffalo
14. Carolina
15. Nashville
16. Ottawa
17. New Jersey
18. XXXX
19. XXXX
20. Edmonton <-------
21. Washington
22. Minnesota
23. Pittsburgh
24. Montreal
25. Buffalo (San Jose)
26. Detroit
27. Conference Finalist Runner Up
28. Conference Finalist Runner Up
29. Stanley Cup Runner Up
30. Stanley Cup Champs
Best Case Scenario the oilers pick 20th. So 24th-20th.
Last edited by DousedInOil: 04-21-2008 at 12:08 AM.
Yup, 24th or higher, up to 20th; if non-division leaders make the semi-finals, it goes up by one per.
Yar! Thats the basis. I can see any of the three on the brink of games 7s falling out, hopefully not SJ, and i'm a little partial to Montreal. Washington for sure is the sacrificial goat this round
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Originally Posted by Oilbleeder
If say all the division leaders lose, that are on the brink, what would our pick become?
After this round, if they all lose, 22nd until the 2nd round ends.
So let me see if I get this straight - the first 14 draft spots are finalized after the lottery is done.
Then the next 12 spots are finalized after the first two rounds of the playoffs - division leaders get the worst picks, and then they're seeded by regular season points?
So let me see if I get this straight - the first 14 draft spots are finalized after the lottery is done.
Then the next 12 spots are finalized after the first two rounds of the playoffs - division leaders get the worst picks, and then they're seeded by regular season points?
The 14 teams that missed the playoffs during the previous NHL season hold the first 14 picks. They draft in order of fewest points to most points, subject to the results of the draft lottery (see below).
The current Stanley Cup champion picks last (30th).
The Stanley Cup runner-up picks 29th.
The other two Conference Finalists pick 28th and 27th.
Regular-season division winners hold the other lowest positions.
Remaining teams draft in order of fewest points to most points from the previous regular season.
So...I believe this means the worst pick we can possibly receive is the 26th overall selection. That pick improves every time a division winner, or, a team with more points than the Ducks gets eliminated prior to the conference finals.
Those teams are:
Montreal
Pittsburgh
Washington
Detroit
San Jose
Minnesota (already eliminated)
I think as of now, this is how it stands:
1st-14th - non playoff teams
15th - Nashville
16th - Ottawa
17th - New Jersey
The 14 teams that missed the playoffs during the previous NHL season hold the first 14 picks. They draft in order of fewest points to most points, subject to the results of the draft lottery (see below).
The current Stanley Cup champion picks last (30th).
The Stanley Cup runner-up picks 29th.
The other two Conference Finalists pick 28th and 27th.
Regular-season division winners hold the other lowest positions.
Remaining teams draft in order of fewest points to most points from the previous regular season.
So...I believe this means the worst pick we can possibly receive is the 26th overall selection. That pick improves every time a division winner, or, a team with more points than the Ducks gets eliminated prior to the conference finals.
Those teams are:
Montreal
Pittsburgh
Washington
Detroit
San Jose
Minnesota (already eliminated)
I think as of now, this is how it stands:
1st-14th - non playoff teams
15th - Nashville
16th - Ottawa
17th - New Jersey
So...I believe this means the worst pick we can possibly receive is the 26th overall selection. That pick improves every time a division winner, or, a team with more points than the Ducks gets eliminated prior to the conference finals.
Those teams are:
Montreal
Pittsburgh
Washington
Detroit
San Jose
Minnesota (already eliminated)
This is the correct way to think about it. We cannot draft 18th or 19th because of Anaheim's regular season point total. The only way the draft pick goes lower (or higher, however u think about it) is if division leaders fall out of the playoffs before the final 4.
Therefore, because of Minny's elimination, we draft 25th. For now.
IF all of Montreal, Pitsburgh, San Jose, Washington, Detroit, (and Minnesota - already eliminated) don't make it to the final four, we pick 20th overall. For everyone one of those teams that makes it to the final four, our pick goes one later in the draft.
Edit: Since no more than four of those teams can make it to the final four, we can pick no later than 24th.
IF all of Montreal, Pitsburgh, San Jose, Washington, Detroit, (and Minnesota - already eliminated) don't make it to the final four, we pick 20th overall. For everyone one of those teams that makes it to the final four, our pick goes one later in the draft.
But really, only at most 4 division leaders can make it to the final four, so the pick is guaranteed to go down 1 spot (to 24th). Im not sure how it works out since the 1st round isn't decided yet, but depending on the braketting for round 2, its possible that at most 3 division leaders could make it to the finals (IE: seed 2 plays seed 3). It'll be alot clearer in a couple days, in which time i'll continue to update this tread.
If we can wind up with a draft pick around 21, I feel that is a bit of a sweet spot... considering we could have been picking at 30 (and would have had to rely on luck to get a high quality prospect), I think finishing a bit higher and being able to pick and choose exactly which lower-third draftee we desire is a big deal (as long as our scouts don't make a bad decision) -- as opposed to just taking whatever scraps are left. There will be a few interesting talents remaining at the 20 point.
Non-division leaders must get to conference finals... Our pick hasn't moved yet until that happens... If MTL and WAS lose tomorrow, then we move up... If SJ also loses, we're guaranteed another spot... However, if one of MTL and WAS AND SJ don't get eliminated, we haven't moved yet...
That being said, our chances look better now... At least it gives us some interest into the playoffs...
I think the pick the Oilers are selecting from the Ducks is now no worse than 24th, not 25th. All six division winners, regardless of how they fare in the playoffs, are now guaranteed to have worse picks than the Ducks, so the 30-29-28-27-26-25 picks would be division winners in the "worst case scenario", causing the pick from the Ducks to be 24th.
I think the pick the Oilers are selecting from the Ducks is now no worse than 24th, not 25th. All six division winners, regardless of how they fare in the playoffs, are now guaranteed to have worse picks than the Ducks, so the 30-29-28-27-26-25 picks would be division winners in the "worst case scenario", causing the pick from the Ducks to be 24th.
Exactly. For each non-division winner advancing to the conference finals, the Ducks pick is moved up a spot. The Oilers can pick no worse than 24th regardless of what happens now.
Aren't the draft positions based on playoff performance?
Best Case Scenario:
First Round:
Calgary Beats San Jose
Second Round:
Calgary Beats Detroit
The best case scenario never involves Calgary making it to the conference finals.
As others have mentioned, the same draft position can be attained if San Jose wins in round 1 against Calgary but loses in round 2 against Dallas, while Detroit loses to Colorado.
The best case scenario never involves Calgary making it to the conference finals.
As others have mentioned, the same draft position can be attained if San Jose wins in round 1 against Calgary but loses in round 2 against Dallas, while Detroit loses to Colorado.
