I've noticed my boy isn't getting any love on these boards so I"m gonna pimp him out myself. I seiously am predicting a front runner (if not overall champ) for rookie of the year. He's barely 16 and plays on the top line of the defending champs. I don't get to see too much footage bieng as I"m stuck in Texas but its good to see a kid of color who isn't being pressured or molded into some dumb enforcer type. It so broke my heart that donny brashear was used so much in montreal, like he was a bouncer or something... glad to see this isn't being done to kane. I like the attitude he's got though. This kid doesn't seem afraid of too much. Hope he keeps his head on straight It'll be good to see someone come up to challenge for the 2009 top NHL draft spot. Hows his skating looking by the way... I read that it was supposedly a weakness (yet he made the playoff roster as a 15yr old.. go figure) What would y'all say are his strengths and weaknesses?
all right let me help you my texas buddy, yes kane plays first line with mike repik and mitch czibere BUT its not a first line although many people like to think it is and to be honest with you I dont think the giants have a first line instead they have 3 scoring lines and then a hardworking 4th. He just had two goals against Kelowna on opening night so I think his total is 5 points, plus he has a fight in there i beleive. The only weakness I see with him is he has his head down way to much even when he gets the puck its head down.
not too many 5'6" 160lbs enforcers out there....never mind if they are people of color or not
'vander's 5ft 11... and beleive me players of our color are pretty much expected to be fighters unless they're of exceptional talent like iginla... glad kane's got spunk but I'd love to see him continue to develop his hockey skills not let them turn him into another laraque, simmonds, brashear, , mccarthy etc
... and beleive me players of our color are pretty much expected to be fighters unless they're of exceptional talent like iginla...
Now I have seen many ridiculous statements on hockey message boards before, but that one may just take the cake. I'm sure there are numerous examples of people of "your color" who do not take on a tough guy role. I'm not about to go research it league wide, but here in Brandon, none of the last 3 "players of your color" we had were expected to drop the gloves (Moore, Reaves, Byfuglien) and two out of the three of them had the size to do it. Another example of a non-tough guy that comes to mind is Shawn Belle.
ya bring race in to such a matter is completley ridiculous, another guy that comes to mind is Trevor Daley and even Akim Aliu isnt expected to fight everyoen he is expected to put the puck in the net.
ya bring race in to such a matter is completley ridiculous, another guy that comes to mind is Trevor Daley and even Akim Aliu isnt expected to fight everyoen he is expected to put the puck in the net.
cute... you might wanna talk to akim about that... Seriously its all cute that you have this sweet kumbaya view but I'm black, I've known soo many player that were black and for the predominance (of course there're exceptions to the game, we're encouraged to be fighters .. especially if we're physical. Hell before the emergence of anson carter and iginla who were the few players of my color out there?> poor don brashear who was given ZERO actual playing time in montreal ... instead was used like some kind of stupid house pet by the coach to kick ass... thing is don's career would take off AFTER he left the racist montreal market... Or do you wanna bruing up laraque who had bananas thrown at him? This appeared in SI a while back...
"Speaking of hard hits, there are also some black players that, to be blunt, have become known more for what they accomplish with their fists, rather than with their sticks. Edmonton's Georges Laraque and Philadelphia's Donald Brashear have become valuable commodities as their teams' enforcers"
Relax... I'm not out here talking about how evil white people are.. its just always nice o see a face that looks like mine, hopefully on tyhe path to success and acknowledgement..... You'd never get it in a million years cause for you its normal to lookit sakic forsberg, lemeiux and see yourself.. I've been into hockey since my teens and you know who I had to look up to?... fuhr.. that was it. My first game EVER I got asked 3 times why I wasn't playing goal (cause of course all people had seen that looked like me were grant fuhr and the ushers at games) Then it became.. "ost black guys I konw are fighters.." I didn't just think this .. I heard it. Oh and Akim aliu pretty much was his teams enforcer which pissed me off to no end as little or no attempt seemed to be made in developing his skill set. Things are definately better now with the shawn belles, iginlas, etc... but make no mistake mniorities are painfully aware of how they're pigenholed into certain roles.. lookit native americans and how an overwhelming number are also "fighters" I mean jordin too too can play the game.. he was on team canada for petes sake and his only ticket to the bigs is to be an undersized fighter? the only clips of him on youtube are of him fighting? What about his brother? craig berube? chris simon (who rebelled for a while from the steretype and just wanted a chance to play) Please don't tell me what I've seen felt or heard.... I havehope that evaqnder will be one of the ones we have that will change that but make no attempts to assuage white guilt with me I'm not really interested. Its just nice to sit wiht my nephew at a computer and watch him lookup news and info in excitement about the giants upcoming star instead of seeing faces like his ONLY in fights
kane impressed me, had 2 or 3 asssists here in portland on opening night and got suspended last year on his 5 game call-up, gotta love that! Hell of a find by the giants, drafting like that in the later half of the first round will have you competing for championships every year.
Kane should win rookie of the year unless a euro comes away with it. Lets not forget cowen but I think forwards will get more love.
cute... you might wanna talk to akim about that... Seriously its all cute that you have this sweet kumbaya view but I'm black, I've known soo many player that were black and for the predominance (of course there're exceptions to the game, we're encouraged to be fighters .. especially if we're physical. Hell before the emergence of anson carter and iginla who were the few players of my color out there?> poor don brashear who was given ZERO actual playing time in montreal ... instead was used like some kind of stupid house pet by the coach to kick ass... thing is don's career would take off AFTER he left the racist montreal market... Or do you wanna bruing up laraque who had bananas thrown at him? This appeared in SI a while back...
"Speaking of hard hits, there are also some black players that, to be blunt, have become known more for what they accomplish with their fists, rather than with their sticks. Edmonton's Georges Laraque and Philadelphia's Donald Brashear have become valuable commodities as their teams' enforcers"
Relax... I'm not out here talking about how evil white people are.. its just always nice o see a face that looks like mine, hopefully on tyhe path to success and acknowledgement..... You'd never get it in a million years cause for you its normal to lookit sakic forsberg, lemeiux and see yourself.. I've been into hockey since my teens and you know who I had to look up to?... fuhr.. that was it. My first game EVER I got asked 3 times why I wasn't playing goal (cause of course all people had seen that looked like me were grant fuhr and the ushers at games) Then it became.. "ost black guys I konw are fighters.." I didn't just think this .. I heard it. Oh and Akim aliu pretty much was his teams enforcer which pissed me off to no end as little or no attempt seemed to be made in developing his skill set. Things are definately better now with the shawn belles, iginlas, etc... but make no mistake mniorities are painfully aware of how they're pigenholed into certain roles.. lookit native americans and how an overwhelming number are also "fighters" I mean jordin too too can play the game.. he was on team canada for petes sake and his only ticket to the bigs is to be an undersized fighter? the only clips of him on youtube are of him fighting? What about his brother? craig berube? chris simon (who rebelled for a while from the steretype and just wanted a chance to play) Please don't tell me what I've seen felt or heard.... I havehope that evaqnder will be one of the ones we have that will change that but make no attempts to assuage white guilt with me I'm not really interested. Its just nice to sit wiht my nephew at a computer and watch him lookup news and info in excitement about the giants upcoming star instead of seeing faces like his ONLY in fights
i didn't want to touch this either but thats a very interesting perspective. I don't like bringing race into things but I think about it if it were me on that side. Why watch a game where my people are seemingly type cast as utility/novelty players? I think there is (deserved or not) an expectation for black players to be fighters. If it were me sitting there with my nephew I would be thrilled to see a player start to break the mold and to be honest, I am thrilled. The sooner we start to see more players of varying skill from all races, the sooner these racial expectations and perceptions(realistic or not) will be dropped from the public eye and hopefully forgotten forever.
This thread is just ridiculous. Sorry but Laraque and Brashear would not have a hope in hell of making the NHL on their hockey skills alone. Forget about race. Maybe we should all wonder why Boogard or Probert were told to fight. Those white folk should not be fighters. What a joke. You do what you have to do to make it there. Race has nothing to do with anything.
On another note, yes Evander you have some skills and have steadily improved your game but don't forget you are playing on a pretty good hockey team and coach hay is giving you some prime icetime with some extremely good players. Any of the other 16 year old's in the league in your position would be doing just as good as you and most probably better.
I don't care what race you are, that's a stupid thing to say on this forum.
kinda like telling a woman that there's no way she can be bothered by guys hooting and whistling at them, or telling asian kids who get the eye fold operation that there's no pressure on them to adopt a more caucasian look to them. If you're not part of the said group in question what makes you think you'd understand? You've been at the rinks I have? played with the players I have? The sad thing is I didn't manufacture that thought. A white teammate did when he heard me braggin' on seanie bell a few years ago. outright told me that bell would have no chance of makng it unless he was a fighter and sure enough bell just got sent down again... Do I think its his race? no cause TODAY its a hell of a lot better. I DO know that a player of a different color pretty much HAS to be exceptional to be picked over a white teammate otherwise the marginally skilled adam perry's, andrew selfs and j.k gills (who?) would be replaced by equally low skilled players of color. The CHL has done alot of impressive work to include ALL kids of ANY color as it should. However I guarantee you that mine isn't the only voice you'll hear that will bring up this observation. What amuses me is the reaction by those like you who almost seem defensive. YOU are not being accused but the people who threw bananas at laraque over a decade ago sure are. How about the ones that made ape noises at anson carter two summers ago? Where's you outrage about them? To me and in my world my comment has been proven through. forget being a suoerstar.. are you saying that except for laraque, brashear, mccarthy and of rmun ndur, Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre, and of course peter worrell, there hasn't EVER been any black, asian, hispanic etc, 3rd or 4th level players? where have they been? a willie o'ree call up here a jimmy paek waive there... stop fooling yourself, being defensive and actually THINK. Do you think when I started playing hockey at 13 I wasn't expected to fight? It's all well and good to come in and tell me how enlightened you are but when you attack the person who's BEEN through said experience all you're doing is joining the pack that planted said doubt in his brain in the first place
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This thread is just ridiculous. Sorry but Laraque and Brashear would not have a hope in hell of making the NHL on their hockey skills alone. Forget about race. Maybe we should all wonder why Boogard or Probert were told to fight. Those white folk should not be fighters. What a joke. You do what you have to do to make it there. Race has nothing to do with anything.
On another note, yes Evander you have some skills and have steadily improved your game but don't forget you are playing on a pretty good hockey team and coach hay is giving you some prime icetime with some extremely good players. Any of the other 16 year old's in the league in your position would be doing just as good as you and most probably better.
ANY 16yr old? you make it sound like the coach JUST handed his position out that it wasn;t earned how cute. If that's the case then why isn't EVERY 16yr old in said position and doing just as well?.... and my comment was STUPID?
Like I said coach hay is giving him prime ice time. How does a 16 year old who has never played in the league earn that position? You talk like he has earned it. He hasn't earned s**t. Good for him that coach hay has that much trust in him. All that I am saying is that not all coaches give their young players that prime ice time with top notch players. So just because he has done well so far doesn't mean he is the next coming . He is in a pretty good position to excel. That is all I am saying.
Like I said coach hay is giving him prime ice time. How does a 16 year old who has never played in the league earn that position? You talk like he has earned it. He hasn't earned s**t. Good for him that coach hay has that much trust in him. All that I am saying is that not all coaches give their young players that prime ice time with top notch players. So just because he has done well so far doesn't mean he is the next coming . He is in a pretty good position to excel. That is all I am saying.
Well, he did play a bunch of games last year as a 15 year old (8 regular season games and 5 playoff games). Don Hay obviously feels that he has earned his ice time and his linemates. Hay also does not always give his young players prime ice time with top notch players, so Kane must be doing something right. To claim that all 16 year olds would be doing as well as him in that situation with most probably doing better is almost as absurd of a comment as saying black people are only ever expected to fight.
Well, first off, let me say that Evander Kane has probably THE coolest name in the Dub.
Secondly- I think there is too much reaching here, on both sides. There are plenty of black players who aren't expected to be fighters, but I don't think the OP's thread started off with that. He started with love, not hate. The debate has since become something different, but I think everyone would do well to remember that.
Do black players, and first people players get forced into fighting roles? I think that is not such a bad question to ask. It may not be true, but I think that forcing the issue into NHL terms is a bit disingenuous. There is not a single minority player in the NHL that got there simply because of his ability to fight, in the same way that there is not a single majority player that got there for that reason. Even the worst of goons can score in the A. However, I am also quite sure that there is not a single minority player in the NHL that has not been called into a fight because of his race. It's not that difficult to see, and shouldn't be that controversial. If a player is better than you, colored or white, would not you do anything within your power to remove him for 5 minutes? Including calling him a charged slur?
Now, I'm not saying that this is widespread, only that a goon is a goon, and will do whatever he can to start a fight to take off a player better than him. Not really that hard to imagine. I don't think hockey is a racist sport at all, but it is still an emotional sport, and so I don't doubt what the OP said. Furthermore, I'm not defensive at all. Donald Brashear is a punk asshhole. I would gladly fight him. Same as Darcy Tucker, or especially Sean Hill. I would kill that MFer. But, there is simply no reason to doubt what the OP said; players like Anson Carter make for better role models, and that he is happy to see them, and that he hopes that EK will follow that role model. He may be overestimating Kane's talent, but we're all guilty of that with players we like.
In the end, we shouldn't be so quick to jump on the race bandwagon, simply because it has been brought up. It is charged, but so what? When a guy has the honesty to say "aloud" what is not "allowed" in conventional speak, we should just take it as is, and apply it to our own lives, and move on. It's not a damnation, it is simply a hope, and I find hope to be very cool, especially when applied to WHL players. Don't you?
Well, first off, let me say that Evander Kane has probably THE coolest name in the Dub.
Secondly- I think there is too much reaching here, on both sides. There are plenty of black players who aren't expected to be fighters, but I don't think the OP's thread started off with that. He started with love, not hate. The debate has since become something different, but I think everyone would do well to remember that.
Do black players, and first people players get forced into fighting roles? I think that is not such a bad question to ask. It may not be true, but I think that forcing the issue into NHL terms is a bit disingenuous. There is not a single minority player in the NHL that got there simply because of his ability to fight, in the same way that there is not a single majority player that got there for that reason. Even the worst of goons can score in the A. However, I am also quite sure that there is not a single minority player in the NHL that has not been called into a fight because of his race. It's not that difficult to see, and shouldn't be that controversial. If a player is better than you, colored or white, would not you do anything within your power to remove him for 5 minutes? Including calling him a charged slur?
Now, I'm not saying that this is widespread, only that a goon is a goon, and will do whatever he can to start a fight to take off a player better than him. Not really that hard to imagine. I don't think hockey is a racist sport at all, but it is still an emotional sport, and so I don't doubt what the OP said. Furthermore, I'm not defensive at all. Donald Brashear is a punk asshhole. I would gladly fight him. Same as Darcy Tucker, or especially Sean Hill. I would kill that MFer. But, there is simply no reason to doubt what the OP said; players like Anson Carter make for better role models, and that he is happy to see them, and that he hopes that EK will follow that role model. He may be overestimating Kane's talent, but we're all guilty of that with players we like.
In the end, we shouldn't be so quick to jump on the race bandwagon, simply because it has been brought up. It is charged, but so what? When a guy has the honesty to say "aloud" what is not "allowed" in conventional speak, we should just take it as is, and apply it to our own lives, and move on. It's not a damnation, it is simply a hope, and I find hope to be very cool, especially when applied to WHL players. Don't you?
did you mean sean avery ? cause i dont know why sean hill would have offended you so much
