The thing that sticks out to me is seeing McDonagh that high, Valentenko that low, O'Byrne lower then I'd expect (guess I overrate him) even Emelin and Grabovski are lower then I'd expect to see them.
The thing that sticks out to me is seeing McDonagh that high, Valentenko that low, O'Byrne lower then I'd expect (guess I overrate him) even Emelin and Grabovski are lower then I'd expect to see them.
Well, don't forget that Timmins has a job and decisions to protect, it might be an answer...
I would prefer an outside jugdment on the matter, even if I totaly respect Timmins's job so far...
what are these rankings based on? potential or current skill? i assume its potential since some players are higher than they should be.
More than potential offensive or defensive upside, Timmins' list looks like an upside of their potential impact/importance/contribution to the team in the future. Thusly, it could also be interpreted as ranking them according to their relative "untouchability" (realistically, reluctance to trade) in any discussion of trades, etc. Looking his top 5/6 players as potential future cornerstones of the organization, whereas I could part with any of the ones after that for the right return.
Note; A.kostitsyn and lapierre are not there i guess their 100% with the habs next year
I'm a bit shocked to see Halak so low down on the depth chart, especially after last season's performance {he totally saved our butts}, and to see McDonagh is rated higher than Chipchura.
found this on habsrus..from turnbuckle who talk with timmns about their top 20 prospects so thats timmins top 20
1-Carey Price
2-Ryan McDonagh
3-Kyle Chipchura
4-Max Pacioretty
5-David Fischer
6-Sergei Kostitsyn
7-Ben Maxwell
8-Ryan White
9-Mikhail Grabovski
10-P.K Subban
11-Alexei Emelin
12-Jaroslav Halak
13-Ryan O'Byrne
14-Matt d'Agostini
15-Mathieu Carle
16-Pavel Valentenko
17-Yannic Webber
18-Olivier Fortier
19-Janne Lahti
20-Ryan Russell
Note; A.kostitsyn and lapierre are not there i guess their 100% with the habs next year
I'm surprised that S. Kostitsyn is ranked so low. I'm guessing this his not quite being ready has something to do with it, but I thought he had a lot of potential.
...and to see McDonagh is rated higher than Chipchura.
Like I said, it's an old interview. He posted it on july 1st so the interview took place less than a week after the draft. It's normal to be high on the guys you just drafted. If Timmins did a top 20 today, I'm sure some guys would drop or move up.
I'm surprised that S. Kostitsyn is ranked so low. I'm guessing this his not quite being ready has something to do with it, but I thought he had a lot of potential.
What you expected him to be ranked 1st? For a kid drafted at the spot he was the quality of he prospects we have I am not disappointed at where he is placed!
What you expected him to be ranked 1st? For a kid drafted at the spot he was the quality of he prospects we have I am not disappointed at where he is placed!
I thought he'd be ahead of Pacorietty for sure. And with the way he's been developing I thought he'd be ahead of McDonnaugh and Chipchura too.
Thing is, Chipchura is a sure fire NHL player. So I can understand why he'd be higher. Its just that I think Kostitsyn has great offensive potential and a higher ceiling in terms of impact. I'm not sure what the criteria is for this list though. Because Chipchura (while maybe not having as high a ceiling) is more likely to reach his potential than most of our other guys.
Its hard to guage Timmins intenet when he had the discussion with turnbuckle. He may have just kisted some names without giving a huge amount of thought about the rankings. His thoughts on rankings could also change over time. Seeing the halfback shoulders at the developmental camp on Subban made me take a double take.
I thought he'd be ahead of Pacorietty for sure. And with the way he's been developing I thought he'd be ahead of McDonnaugh and Chipchura too.
Thing is, Chipchura is a sure fire NHL player. So I can understand why he'd be higher. Its just that I think Kostitsyn has great offensive potential and a higher ceiling in terms of impact. I'm not sure what the criteria is for this list though. Because Chipchura (while maybe not having as high a ceiling) is more likely to reach his potential than most of our other guys.
.....but Timmins sees it the other way. You have to remember Timmins had McD in the top 3 for the '07 draft. He also had Pac in his top ten for the '07 draft. I'm guessing if Timmins was asked about his favorite draft as an employee of the habs he would say the '07 draft, because by all accounts he landed some players he has very high on his list, much futher down than expected. Granted to a certain degree, that happens every draft, but I have a feeling '07 would be considered his favorite...and best draft as a hab employee.
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I'm surprised that all the players exepted Price , are ranked so low. I'm guessing this his not quite being ready has something to do with it, but I thought they had a lot more of potential.
Like I said, it's an old interview. He posted it on july 1st so the interview took place less than a week after the draft. It's normal to be high on the guys you just drafted. If Timmins did a top 20 today, I'm sure some guys would drop or move up.
I don't follow you. Have any of these prospects played hockey over the summer? If they haven't, why would Timmins change his mind without further input?
I'm surprised that all the players exepted Price , are ranked so low. I'm guessing this his not quite being ready has something to do with it, but I thought they had a lot more of potential.
i was beleiving something like
1-a ; Price
1-b ;
1-c ;
etc ...
You're sarcastic about everything. There are 30 NHL teams. According to that list, the Habs have 3 players in the top 30 and 4 in the top 60, not to mention Price, who would have been ranked high. In addition, Latendresse, who was drafted in 1985, is already playing in the NHL. He, too, might have been included.
You're sarcastic about everything. There are 30 NHL teams. According to that list, the Habs have 3 players in the top 30 and 4 in the top 60, not to mention Price, who would have been ranked high. In addition, Latendresse, who was drafted in 1985, is already playing in the NHL. He, too, might have been included.
Hum ! you had a bad day , no ?
we are talking about the prospects of the other teams , but the top 20 of the Habs . I am very confident of our draftees , and my post was a way to say that they are all going to be good .
I don't follow you. Have any of these prospects played hockey over the summer? If they haven't, why would Timmins change his mind without further input?
we are talking about the prospects of the other teams , but the top 20 of the Habs . I am very confident of our draftees , and my post was a way to say that they are all going to be good .
Well why didn't you just come out and say it? Does it hurt you to say something in a positive fashion? I think the Habs have assembled a talented collection of prospects in contrast to what it was like years ago when they made one bad or only fair draft pick after another (you know, Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard, etc.). I can't find fault with any first rounder selected in the regimes of either André Savard and Bob Gainey, and both came up with good picks further down in the draft. The only thing they didn't get in the drafts from 2001 to 2007 was a center as good as or better than Saku Koivu. Ironically, they missed one in the second round in 2003, Patrice Bergeron. That draft was good (A. Kostitsyn, Lapierre, O'Byrne, and others) but it could have been great.
I'm real suprised how low the organization has Aubin.
I really like Aubin, but a player who can't play AHL full time can't be in front of players who can.
For Chipchura, the best comparison is maybe with Rod Brind'amour. I think it's Gaston Gingras who say that last year, on dedication and passion for the game. Rod his a bigger point producer, but Chip will score if he play with good players. Did you remember he was the best scorer on year he played. Could be a good center between the 2 kostitsyn. Grabovski and the kostitsyn play the same style of game. To much...
1. Carey Price
2. Ryan McDonagh
3. Kyle Chipchura
4. David Fischer
5. Sergei Kostitsyn
6. Max Pacioretty
7. Jaroslav Halak
8. Ryan O'Byrne
9. Mikhail Grabovski
10. Ben Maxwell
11. Mathieu Carle
12. Ryan White
13. P.K. Subban
14. Pavel Valentenko
15. Matt D'Agostini
16. Corey Locke
17. Olivier Fortier
18. Ryan Russell
19. Yannick Webber
20. Alexei Emelin
Note: The reason I put Emelin so far down was because I'm pretty sure we'll never see him. He might just end up staying in Russia due to the lack of an IIHF agreement. Although Halak, O'Byrne, and Grabovski are ranked 7th, 8th, and 9th respectivly...I think the 3 of them have a legitamate shot at making the team for this upcoming season along with Chipchura, Price, Valentenko and Locke.
My list is obviously not an exact science and I have no formal training as a player scout but I believe my rankings are atleast fair and somewhat accurate.
Well why didn't you just come out and say it? Does it hurt you to say something in a positive fashion? I think the Habs have assembled a talented collection of prospects in contrast to what it was like years ago when they made one bad or only fair draft pick after another (you know, Terry Ryan, Matt Higgins, Brent Bilodeau, Jason Ward, Eric Chouinard, etc.). I can't find fault with any first rounder selected in the regimes of either André Savard and Bob Gainey, and both came up with good picks further down in the draft. The only thing they didn't get in the drafts from 2001 to 2007 was a center as good as or better than Saku Koivu. Ironically, they missed one in the second round in 2003, Patrice Bergeron. That draft was good (A. Kostitsyn, Lapierre, O'Byrne, and others) but it could have been great.
it could always have been great few years later , when you named the players that are better than expected.
And it's too late to say that we haven't drafted a center better than Koivu. Who know by now what Grabovsky , Maxwell - to name just those two - are going to do in the future .
We , the Habs fan are reputed to overrate our prospects and our players . But i think that we have a very deep group of prospects by now . I am sure that few players will never be that good and are going to deceive us , like Hossa , Hainsey did few years back .
But the thing that is really great is to think that there could be also prospects that are far in the chart , but that could surprise us one day , like Ryder did ; Aubin , Paquet , Ferland ...
