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03-05-2006, 04:34 PM
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Has Bucky lost his mind?

TBN: Sabres should swing for the fences and trade Biron
http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial...05/1049645.asp

The concept is sound, but Gleason's idea of swinging for the fence by trading Biron and Pyatt for Witt is ridiculous.

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Washington was shopping veteran defenseman Brendan Witt, who would be a solid addition for any team. The Capitals are looking for a key player, plus a prospect. They will need a goaltender to replace aging veteran Olaf Kolzig. The Sabres might be able to put together a package with Biron and, say, Taylor Pyatt. Noronen and Pyatt for Witt probably wouldn't be enough.
Kolzig just signed a 2 year extension for big bucks. Obviously the Caps aren't thinking of replacing him just yet. If Biron went there he'd just sign his qualifying offer and leave as an UFA the following season to try to be a starter somewhere else. I wouldn't trade Pyatt or Biron straight up for Witt. He's just not that solid as Bucky puts it, and has anger management issues that hurt his team. He's also a pending UFA. Noronen straight up is all I'd offer.
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When did Bucky have a mind to begin with?
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TBN really needs to do something abou their hockey writing.
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I wouldn't call Witt swinging for the fence. He' smore of a sacrafice fly...

Swinging for the fence would be getting Jokinin and a #1 Dman.
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Yea, I just read that myself about an hour ago, and thought three words...

What.
The.
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I think he's officially gone off the deep end with wanting Witt. Wasn't he the guy who jumped Vanek for no reason a couple months ago?
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Hell trade Pyatt and Biron to Edmonton for Staios and _____ , yeah, he's no Witt, but he is still under contract.
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When did Bucky have a mind to begin with?
Hey, come on dude. He's a Frontier graduate like yours truly. We're all brilliant.
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Biron and Pyatt for the UFA Witt?

Jesus.

Even Eklund can do better than that.
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I know we have no room whatsoever to add another forward but I'd really like to get Recchi. Solid veteran who can still bulge the twine. A line with Drury-Recchi would be awesome IMO.


So how about:

To PITTS:

Kotalik and Pominville

TO BUFF:

Orpik and Recchi



Dumont-Connolly-Briere
Hecht-Drury-Recchi
Vanek-Roy-Afinogenov
Pyatt-Gaustad-Grier

Mair, Peters

Lydman-Tallinder
Mckee-Numminen
Orpik-Kalinin

Campbell, Fitzpatrick


I know the Pens are in dire straights in terms of defense, but adding Kotalik and Pominville would be 2 very solid assets for them. They would have a lot of flexibility in the off season to shore up the D with several trading chips at forward.

For us, we would be adding a solid veteran who can consisently impact a game in Recchi, while adding a young, gritty defenseman who may be part of the core of this team for many years to come. Also we would be clearing up the log jam at forward. I just worry that if we were to get hit with the injury bug we might not have the depth anymore at forward to overcome any significant injuries, although this trade would bolster our depth on the blueline very nicely.


Overpayment by us? Maybe they could add a forward in the deal that is on a 2 way contract? Maybe one of Surovy, Boguniecki, Talbot, Rita or Christensen just for extra depth up front? Those types of guys would expect to ride the pine while everyone is healthy, Kotalik and/or Poms would not like it IMO. Thoughts?
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You're going to break up Dumont-Briere-Hecht after last night????

Yeah, ok.
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I wouldn't call Witt swinging for the fence. He' smore of a sacrafice fly...

Swinging for the fence would be getting Jokinin and a #1 Dman.
or maybe grounding into a double play...
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I know we have no room whatsoever to add another forward but I'd really like to get Recchi. Solid veteran who can still bulge the twine. A line with Drury-Recchi would be awesome IMO.


So how about:

To PITTS:

Kotalik and Pominville

TO BUFF:

Orpik and Recchi



Dumont-Connolly-Briere
Hecht-Drury-Recchi
Vanek-Roy-Afinogenov
Pyatt-Gaustad-Grier

Mair, Peters

Lydman-Tallinder
Mckee-Numminen
Orpik-Kalinin

Campbell, Fitzpatrick


I know the Pens are in dire straights in terms of defense, but adding Kotalik and Pominville would be 2 very solid assets for them. They would have a lot of flexibility in the off season to shore up the D with several trading chips at forward.

For us, we would be adding a solid veteran who can consisently impact a game in Recchi, while adding a young, gritty defenseman who may be part of the core of this team for many years to come. Also we would be clearing up the log jam at forward. I just worry that if we were to get hit with the injury bug we might not have the depth anymore at forward to overcome any significant injuries, although this trade would bolster our depth on the blueline very nicely.


Overpayment by us? Maybe they could add a forward in the deal that is on a 2 way contract? Maybe one of Surovy, Boguniecki, Talbot, Rita or Christensen just for extra depth up front? Those types of guys would expect to ride the pine while everyone is healthy, Kotalik and/or Poms would not like it IMO. Thoughts?
I like it, but I suspect many here would be against it. If it were deemed overpayment by us, I'd jump at the chance to add Surovy in a heartbeat.
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I've seen plenty of Caps games in person ...

... he's a rain delay. At best.
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Originally Posted by Fan-of-#9
I know we have no room whatsoever to add another forward but I'd really like to get Recchi. Solid veteran who can still bulge the twine. A line with Drury-Recchi would be awesome IMO.


So how about:

To PITTS:

Kotalik and Pominville

TO BUFF:

Orpik and Recchi



Dumont-Connolly-Briere
Hecht-Drury-Recchi
Vanek-Roy-Afinogenov
Pyatt-Gaustad-Grier

Mair, Peters

Lydman-Tallinder
Mckee-Numminen
Orpik-Kalinin

Campbell, Fitzpatrick


I know the Pens are in dire straights in terms of defense, but adding Kotalik and Pominville would be 2 very solid assets for them. They would have a lot of flexibility in the off season to shore up the D with several trading chips at forward.

For us, we would be adding a solid veteran who can consisently impact a game in Recchi, while adding a young, gritty defenseman who may be part of the core of this team for many years to come. Also we would be clearing up the log jam at forward. I just worry that if we were to get hit with the injury bug we might not have the depth anymore at forward to overcome any significant injuries, although this trade would bolster our depth on the blueline very nicely.


Overpayment by us?
Maybe they could add a forward in the deal that is on a 2 way contract? Maybe one of Surovy, Boguniecki, Talbot, Rita or Christensen just for extra depth up front? Those types of guys would expect to ride the pine while everyone is healthy, Kotalik and/or Poms would not like it IMO. Thoughts?
IMO, yes.

Recchi can still do it offensively. But I was just comparing Max to Recchi on the Pens board the other day.
I know it sounds weird, but this season... Max is a better player. Recchi has been godawful defensively. His horrible +/- is not a fluke.

Orpik is somewhat overrated at this point, IMO. He does have the potential to be a top-4 guy... But so far, his game is limited to hitting. His positional play is not good (to put it mildly) and there are times he can't get the puck out of the zone to save his life. His puck movement is below the level of just about every Sabres defenseman.. Except maybe Fitzy.

Also, both Kotalik and JPom have contributed a great deal to this Sabres team. And no doubt their stats will go down a bit now, with JPom on the 4th line again and Big Al playing on the shutdown line... But they're still playing the same game they've played all year.

IMHO; offseason is the time to settle the glut at forward. For the playoffs, I hope Darcy simply moves a couple of picks/prospects for a couple of veteran UFAs... A Drake-type and a Salei-type.
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If you traded Ales AND Poms you could prolly take our top 5 PP back into the 15-20 range
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The fourth period.com is reporting Buffalo being one of the teams to be courting the Pens for Recchi. I wonder what kind of package Darcy would be trying to ship to Pittsburgh?

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit060306.html

My guess would be pick/prospect, maybe even getting rid of one of the current forwards to make room?

As much as I like JPomm I think he is expendable. With a somewhat big number of sabres forwards having a chance to make it to the big show ( Zagrapan,Stafford,Paille,McCarthur,Mancari,Throbur n...) I think I wouldnt mind shipping him and a pick for Recchi. He would bring some much welcomed playoff experience and a pretty consistent offensive player.

Buffalo: Pominville,2nd round pick
Pittsburgh : Recchi
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The fourth period.com is reporting Buffalo being one of the teams to be courting the Pens for Recchi. I wonder what kind of package Darcy would be trying to ship to Pittsburgh?

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit060306.html

My guess would be pick/prospect, maybe even getting rid of one of the current forwards to make room?

As much as I like JPomm I think he is expendable. With a somewhat big number of sabres forwards having a chance to make it to the big show ( Zagrapan,Stafford,Paille,McCarthur,Mancari,Throbur n...) I think I wouldnt mind shipping him and a pick for Recchi. He would bring some much welcomed playoff experience and a pretty consistent offensive player.

Buffalo: Pominville,2nd round pick
Pittsburgh : Recchi
Don't forget that Novotny will need to be in the show next year or we will lose him. I think he as shown enough both with Rochester and his brief stints with the Sabres that he won't pass through waviers next year as he did this year.
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The fourth period.com is reporting Buffalo being one of the teams to be courting the Pens for Recchi. I wonder what kind of package Darcy would be trying to ship to Pittsburgh?

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/pit060306.html

My guess would be pick/prospect, maybe even getting rid of one of the current forwards to make room?

As much as I like JPomm I think he is expendable. With a somewhat big number of sabres forwards having a chance to make it to the big show ( Zagrapan,Stafford,Paille,McCarthur,Mancari,Throbur n...) I think I wouldnt mind shipping him and a pick for Recchi. He would bring some much welcomed playoff experience and a pretty consistent offensive player.

Buffalo: Pominville,2nd round pick
Pittsburgh : Recchi

Where would he fit in? We are way to deep at the forward position.

Maybe

Kotalik, Jillson
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If you traded Ales AND Poms you could prolly take our top 5 PP back into the 15-20 range
I would say Ales has stopped contributing on the PP.
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I would say Ales has stopped contributing on the PP.
I agree here.

I don't know. Per Fo9's proposal, I'd still welcome the addition of Recchi and Orpik at the expense of Kotalik plus a prospect. I think Orpik could turn the corner and become a steady player in this league.
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Buffalo: Pominville,2nd round pick
Pittsburgh : Recchi
Um, no *bleep*ing way

That's massive overpay for a 38 year old making 2.3 per year. Is he even signed for next year?
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I would say Ales has stopped contributing on the PP.
It's worth noting that Recchi may be more than a rental.

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Recchi's contract for 2006-07 features a two-way option: The team holding his rights could retain him by agreeing to pay him $2,228,000, and Recchi could trigger the option by agreeing to play for $760,000.
If the option is picked up, Recchi and Kotalik will become UFA's at the same time.
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There's a difference b/w 'not contributing' and 'being taken out' by the opponent. Teams started keying on Ales in my observation, playing him tight. That opens up shots for others.
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I don't think our PP would suffer too bad with the loss of JPom and Kotalik. Briere has just been inserted and Recchi would add a very nice dimension to our units. He has 30 PP points this year, top 15 in the NHL. With a healthy lineup we could ice 2 very good PP lines:

Connolly, Briere, Drury, Recchi, Afinogenov, Vanek, Dumont, Hecht Roy, Numminen, Campbell, Kalinin...that's more than enough bodies. I'd much prefer Recchi at the point on the PP than JPom/Kotalik, especially in crucial situations.
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