For those of you who aren't registered, here are some of the lines that stick out in my mind:
In essence, the Ducks had cut loose their team captain, franchise player, leading scorer and most popular player in team history just three weeks after he had helped lead them to Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals...
It apparently rankles Kariya when people ask why he wouldn't take less to sign with the Ducks. Or when Murray is quoted as saying he could have signed Sergei Fedorov and Kariya if Paul had accepted $1.2 million from Anaheim. But that's not the point...
As for the negative fan reaction to his departure, Kariya says he has a "thick skin." I told him about the many e-mails I have received from angry fans and about the guy who showed up at The Pond last week wearing a Kariya jersey with the word "Traitorous Rat" sewn in above the No. 9. That made him laugh. Long and loud...
I also told him some fans felt betrayed because he stood at the Ducks' championship rally at The Pond and declared, "Same time next year."
He looked me straight in the eye and said on that day he hadn't even thought about the possibility of leaving Anaheim.
So the bottom line is, if the Ducks qualify you ... .
"I'm still there," Kariya said, finishing my sentence...
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Is It just me, or does this Youngman fellow sound like the 3rd partner of a relationship with Kariya & Selanne?
I'm sure he didn't lie when he said "Same time next year" at the time he said it. What makes me angry is, he took the first, the very first opportunity to leave after years of promising "I'll win the cup with the Ducks"...
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What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach...
So, you get what we had here last week,
which is the way he wants it!
Well, he gets it!
Randy Youngman is just a shill for Kariya. That is the biggest piece of gag-inducing, PR fluff I've read in a long time.
If what BM has said ("inferences later made by the Ducks,") about PK being well aware of the Ducks' plans and PK even suggesting that TS was a player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks, was not true, then why doesn't the article just flat out say, "Kariya denies ever speaking to the Ducks about the possibility of taking a pay cut." Instead he says, "Kariya was stunned he didn't receive a qualifying offer." Was he "stunned" because it was out of the blue, or "stunned" because the Ducks actually had the guts not to keep paying him the ridiculous $10M/yr?
And yeah, maybe PK honestly didn't think about leaving the Ducks the day of the WC championship rally. He probably thought about it a lot, just not on *that* particular day.
PK can say all he wants about going to COL and playing open-ended hockey with his best friends TS and JS, and about it being a "hockey decision" (I guess signing for below the league average was not a money decision?) Fine, and more power to him. If it were only that, I could accept what he says now. It's the loyal Anaheim captain, good soldier image he and the media built up and then his doing an about face and signing for $1.2M with COL that pisses me off. Because stupid me, I bought in all and even defended him to non-Kariya fans.
If going to COL was a "hockey decision," then staying and suffering in the hockey wasteland that was Anaheim for the past nine years was a "money decision," pure and simple. The price tag for PK's loyalty to the Ducks was $10M/yr. The minute that was taken off the table (12:00 am on 7/1/03 to be precise), he bolted straight to COL.
Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen. He trashed the Ducks for hiring Mike Babcock. He trashed the Ducks for pretty much everything. Then came the playoffs and he jumped on the bandwagon. He started to praise the Ducks and the work done by Bryan Murray/MIke Babcock. Now back comes the trash. Everyone knows Youngman is a major ****** bag. I don't even know why the guy has a job? Is he holding revealing photos of the sports editor with a sheep? Please someone enlighten me.
Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen. He trashed the Ducks for hiring Mike Babcock. He trashed the Ducks for pretty much everything. Then came the playoffs and he jumped on the bandwagon. He started to praise the Ducks and the work done by Bryan Murray/MIke Babcock. Now back comes the trash. Everyone knows Youngman is a major ****** bag. I don't even know why the guy has a job? Is he holding revealing photos of the sports editor with a sheep? Please someone enlighten me.
agreed, he didn't ask the biggest question...
why weren't you willing to take a paycut for the ducks? why didn't you try harder to sign with them?
I pretty much agree with all you guys here...of course if BM gave him the 10 mill he would still be here but is he?..nope...so we just move on forget about it and hope we win it with out him..
It apparently rankles Kariya when people ask why he wouldn't take less to sign with the Ducks. Or when Murray is quoted as saying he could have signed Sergei Fedorov and Kariya if Paul had accepted $1.2 million from Anaheim. But that's not the point...
Well Paulie, you might want to try to pay attention to that "rankled"ness and figure out what it's about. Maybe because it's a very good point, and you feel guilty as hell.
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Randy Youngman trashed the Ducks for firing Chris Madsen.
Shoot, I'd like to take whoever fired him out to dinner.
ok i just emailed mr youngman. i sent him the link to this thread, and asked him to join us. sorry, don't kill me. i just really want him to see the other side, and see what the REAL fans of the ducks think. i was real nice so hopefully he'll get over here. that article nneds some 'splanin. i'm sure he'll just tuck tail, but it's worth itif we get him here so he sees how much hes kissin pauls well used ass.
Why in the Hell is Youngman doing an interview with PK in Vegas - instead of covering the Ducks in San Jose?
As for Pauli - Who cares - The only regret we should have is that we overpaid that sucker by 8.8 Mil the last few years.
Youngman's a hack.....take everything he says with a grain of salt-especially when it comes to hockey. I dont think he likes the game itself, I know for sure he hates fighting, and every year I have to send him one or two email to correct his facts.
Case is point....he referred to Dan Bylsma as the Ducks enforcer. Nuff said.
well you long timers.. JL/Boogs/Frink know i like Kariya so i gotta stick up for him here..
we don't know the "true" side of the stories..
He could say one thing, BM could say one thing, and Babcock could say another...
Rucchin was interviewed and said he was shocked and it was news to him...
i'm pissed Kariya left, but i'm not going to hate him.. he probably did mean when he said Same Time Next Year.. He probably thought that he was going to be signed again with the Ducks.. I also thought that he should've have taken at least somewhat of a pay cut.. Kariya said he wanted Selanne back with the team and said BM didn't want that... BM says that he offered Selanne... oh well.. gre:
Though he said it, I have this strange feeling Kariya expected not to receive a qualifier. He had to know J-S and Sykora were also without contracts, and needed raises, and that Disney didn't want to raise the budget by much. And since he wanted Selanne to come to Anaheim, I don't think he would've expected Teemu to sign for Oates' $3.5 million. Probably didn't happen, but you never know....
The piece is definitely as useless as it gets. A complete fluff piece. I for one don't hate Kariya.
I've never been a huge fan of his, but I wouldn't go to the extreme that others have gone in their distaste for him, though its understandable. He didn't show much loyalty to the Ducks. The Ducks have shown loyalty to him in the past, but only because they had to. If they didn't sign Kariya to the contract he got out of, the public outcry would have been massive. I don't really see either side as being any better off than the other. The relationship between the Ducks and Kariya has always been one of business. Now both sides played their part in the severing of the relationship, and ever so briefly, the fans got screwed over. I sorta see it as the last kick in the teeth for old-timer Ducks fans by the old management. You definitely can't blame Murray for not qualifying him at that price. Perhaps you can blame Kariya for not coming back to Anaheim for what he signed for in Colorado, but like mentioned previously, we haven't seen everything thats gone on behind the scenes. The bottom line is, the relationship is over, and both sides appear to be better off for it.
That may be your bottom line. Good for you. He claimed loyalty and then acted contrary to it. That, IMO, is worth getting and being upset over, even in today's me first culture.
well you long timers.. JL/Boogs/Frink know i like Kariya so i gotta stick up for him here..
we don't know the "true" side of the stories..
He could say one thing, BM could say one thing, and Babcock could say another...
Rucchin was interviewed and said he was shocked and it was news to him...
i'm pissed Kariya left, but i'm not going to hate him.. he probably did mean when he said Same Time Next Year.. He probably thought that he was going to be signed again with the Ducks.. I also thought that he should've have taken at least somewhat of a pay cut.. Kariya said he wanted Selanne back with the team and said BM didn't want that... BM says that he offered Selanne... oh well.. gre:
BM has said many times Paul and himself had discussions about a paycut during the season Paul implied he was for it and would do it. Strike one against paul.
Paul totally stinks the 2nd half of the season and playoffs and does nothing to play like he is capable of(we all know paul has the ability to take over a game) Strike two
Paul and Teemu tell BM that they are going to sign and the contracts were in fact drawn up to sign...on July 2nd without Hesitating Paul signs with Colorado and blatantly lie to BM...Strike three.
If Paul had "really" wanted to stay then why did he immediatly sign with the Avs?can anyone explain that? The people who defend Pauls actions fail to see the facts here BM has hinted and has gone on record to saying that there was an agreement in place....Is anyone here going to accuse BM of lying?I believe him with the quotes like "We don't want anymore Perimeter players" and "had paul signed with us for 1.2 we still could have signed Fedorov"
Soya im gonna ask you who you think is lying...is it paul or Bryan Murray? Obviously someone is. and I don't think its our GM.
That may be your bottom line. Good for you. He claimed loyalty and then acted contrary to it. That, IMO, is worth getting and being upset over, even in today's me first culture.
Exactly, its MY bottom line. I said it was understandable to have distaste for him, even though personally I didn't. Never said you had to agree with me.
If Paul had "really" wanted to stay then why did he immediatly sign with the Avs?can anyone explain that? The people who defend Pauls actions fail to see the facts here BM has hinted and has gone on record to saying that there was an agreement in place....Is anyone here going to accuse BM of lying?I believe him with the quotes like "We don't want anymore Perimeter players" and "had paul signed with us for 1.2 we still could have signed Fedorov"
Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.
So even if there had been no verbal or written agreement, this suggests to me that PK gave BM the impression that he would be willing to take a pay cut. It sounds to me like PK purposely mislead BM. Youngman says in his article that contrary to these type of reports, PK was "stunned" that he wasn't qualified. But as I said before the Youngman article does not explicitly say that PK *never* discussed the possibility of taking a paycut, just that he was "stunned."
But also, it seems like once PK was a UFA, he had no intention of resigning with the Ducks. He said in another article (Denver Post?) that if the deal didn't go through with the Avs, the package deal would have been offered to Detroit next. And in an Edmonton Journal article, Lacroix said Baizley kept calling for 30 hours on 7/1, and kept lowering the price of the package because Lacroix said the package deal would have to fit w/in the Avs budget ($7M was the magic number I guess). During all this time, I don't think Baizley ever talked to BM. IIRC, BM said by the time Baizley returned BM's call (re: an offer from the Ducks), the Avs were a done deal.
PK said the bears no animosity towards the Ducks, but then what was going on? He made his decision to leave within an hour of not being qualified and never gave the Ducks the chance to make an offer. Why wouldn't he at least listen to what BM had to offer?
PK said he bears no animosity towards the Ducks, but then what was going on? He made his decision to leave within an hour of not being qualified and never gave the Ducks the chance to make an offer. Why wouldn't he at least listen to what BM had to offer?
Because he didn't want to play defense anymore. He missed the days of just simply scoring w/o a defensive conscience. If he were to stay in Anaheim, he'd have to suck up and play defense all over again. I suppose, once the Ducks didn't qualify him, then the Ducks org cannot say what's right nor wrong in his doing from a business aspect. From a fan's perspective, unless we get the whole truth, PK left us at a shotgun wedding in vegas... an unwritten mutual agreement that he'd have to take a paycut b/c he wasn't worth the $10 mil and bring more talent in from that pay cut was left unfulfilled. LoL
I'm not mad at Paul leaving... i'm just aggrevated at the way he left. very deceiving and un-captainesque. is that a word?
Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.
Murray actually came out and said his opening offer to the both of them was going to be $5M each.
Just to be clear, I don't think BM has ever gone on record as saying there was an agreement. He said in an interview on 690 that PK never reneged on a deal (I don't know if he meant verbal or written). But as you say, there have been various articles where BM said that he had discussions with PK and PK had even gone as far as suggesting that TS could be one player he (PK) could talk to about coming to the Ducks.
Murray said something along the lines of "I was of the understanding that there was an agreement in place." and i was paraphrasing that now if you choose to believe what the Booster club was told by Mike Babcock then it coincides with this quote because Mike did tell them both of them(kariya and Selanne) had agreed to sign. but the Bottom line for me is that why do some people not see this guy for what he is?Is it any coincidence to anyone here that Paul had 3 10+ game goalless droughts, sucked in the playoffs and did everything he could do to basically give games away? I think Paul tanked it weather its on purpose or not who knows But its obvious to me he wanted nothing to do with this team.
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